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Supreme Court pick

Started by cats meow at 2009/05/27 08:05AM
Latest post: 2009/06/04 02:14PM, Views: 832, Replies: 93
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#1   2009/05/27 08:05AM
Supreme Court pick
cats meow
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i am very excited with obama's choice for supreme court justice, sonia sotomayor, from what i read, she sounds like she will bring allot to the table

#2   2009/05/27 08:24AM
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I hope she proves to be a strong front against the conservatives, but from what I have read she won't(we all know what we read is true... )
What I do know from public record:
1. She is on record as saying SC is where law is made...I can see how commoners could draw this conclusion, but for one in her position to willingly say this on tape, scares me. SC is not where law is made, it is not where the people are represented, it is where past law is interpreted.
2. She dismissed a case for 4 firefighters in Detroit who kept getting passed on for "lesser qualified minorites." She commented after the dismissal that she dismissed it b/c white people cannot be discriminated against. Now, maybe these white firefighters did not have a case. Maybe they just sucked at their job. but to dismiss it and say that publicly...and no one cares, dems or repubs alike.
3.She made her way for herself from a poor family, she must be very smart, so maybe there is some potential for her to smarten up and watch what she says on record.

Suffice it to say I am not as hopeful as you.

#3   2009/05/27 08:33AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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I like your new kitty

#4   2009/05/27 09:13AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
cats meow
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Quote lovesit: I like your new kitty


thank you, can you give me a link where she said that about SC, i really want to check it out, thanks

#5   2009/05/27 09:25AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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Quote cats meow:
Quote lovesit: I like your new kitty


thank you, can you give me a link where she said that about SC, i really want to check it out, thanks


Let me find it again. I am at work, so it might take a little while. I found it easily yesterday, so it should still be easy, since it is recent. It had the whole transcript.
I really want to emphasize I hope she pans out. I wanted to post this in the dem thread, but didn't want to impose myself there - Obviously, you want your own party to win in the end. But you HAVE to have the good fight before (about when people say she is weak in countering people and speaking). If there is no legitimate opposition, we are no longer in a democracy!
Be back later with that..

#6   2009/05/27 09:29AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
cats meow
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i think i found a rebuttal when i googled her, check it out

Moreover, according to NBC News justice correspondent Pete Williams' report from earlier that day, "[E]ven some conservatives and followers of strict constructionism have said that [Sotomayor] was only stating the obvious: that trial judges, district court judges, decide only the cases before them, and that appeals courts, because they are the, you know, above the other courts, do set policy; they do make precedent that governs the other courts." Indeed, the Oxford Companion to the Supreme Court of the United States (2005) notes that federal appellate courts do in fact have a "policy making" role.

#7   2009/05/27 09:31AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
cats meow
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Quote lovesit:
Quote cats meow:
Quote lovesit: I like your new kitty


thank you, can you give me a link where she said that about SC, i really want to check it out, thanks


Let me find it again. I am at work, so it might take a little while. I found it easily yesterday, so it should still be easy, since it is recent. It had the whole transcript.
I really want to emphasize I hope she pans out. I wanted to post this in the dem thread, but didn't want to impose myself there - Obviously, you want your own party to win in the end. But you HAVE to have the good fight before (about when people say she is weak in countering people and speaking). If there is no legitimate opposition, we are no longer in a democracy!
Be back later with that..


ok, don't get in trouble, i will be signing off pretty soon,
i think she is very bright, i read she graduated from harvard and yale with high honors

#8   2009/05/27 10:59AM
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www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/27/60
-reversal-of-sotomayor-rulings-gives-fodder-to-f/

If the link doesn't work, this is a Washington Times article from today titled "Sotomayor reversed 60% by high court."

The Supreme Court is set to hear an appeal of one of her decisions next month and many legal analysts predict the court will overturn one of her rulings upholding a race-based employment decision. Lovesit I believe this is the case regarding the firefighters you mentioned.


My main concern is that she is on tape saying that appeals courts, of which the Supreme Court is the end of the road, are where policy is made - which is false, assuming one is familiar with the Constitution & it's instructions for appeals courts. They don't write laws, they don't make policy - they interpret existing law, period.

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#9   2009/05/27 11:27AM
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OK, so I of course can't find the article that was accompanied with the link to her speech at Duke university saying the SC made the laws, but here is another article that references it.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/26/obama-announce-supreme-court-nominee-tuesday... /> To hear the speech yourself, I know youtube has it.

And just about every article about her talks about the firefighters she dismissed, which is now in the SC and is expected to be overturned.
Which leads to her 60% reversal rate. Granted, she has only 5 out of 380 cases out there, and 3 were overturned. So 2 out of 5 isn't good, but it isn't a total failure.
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/27/60-reversal-of-sotomayor-rulings-gives-... />
I did, however, find some more alarming facts abaout her, like her admitted bias to rule in favor or Latinos
www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=48601.
I just hope that at worst, she is the weak counterpart to the conservatives the dems fear
www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=45d56e6f-f497-4b19-9c63-04e10199a085

and at best, she is a strong opponent to the conservatives who stands by her interpretations based on the Constitution, not the people.

As for your article, I can totally see how we common folk think that way, even every day lawyers. We are not in the SC, and lawyers reference their rulings every day in hopes of turning their state ruling in their favor. So in that aspect, yes, SC makes policy. But that CANNOT be a factor in any SC judge when they rule, and it certainly CANNOT be a statement made by a potential/present SC judge.

All that said, she was originally appointed by George Bush, and is generally liked and respected. No person is going to be liked and agreed upon by everybody. If they were, well, like I said, they would not be representing a democracy. We can only wait and hope for the best from her.

I tried to find unbiased, verifyable, and reputable articles, but it was hard. Hope I found some you can believe in as legitimate. Its just so hard to find unbiased media, regardless of the side it comes from.

#10   2009/05/27 11:34AM
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cats meow
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thank you both for the websites
sometimes you don't know what to believe, check this out

mediamatters.org/

#11   2009/05/27 12:01PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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Quote cats meow: thank you both for the websites
sometimes you don't know what to believe, check this out

mediamatters.org/


Yes, I've heard of that. My understanding is it was started mostly by Hilary Clinton, right?
My problem with this site is the same as many right wing sites - they site only what they want to. They pick and choose parts from stories, when if you heard the whole part would come across completely different. I can't even tell you how many times I have went to that site, only to read part of a story I happen to know the whole truth about. And the exact same goes for some right wing "news groups."
But yet, I still continue to check out left wing groups, as well as right wing, so I can have a complete story.

That is what I have found works best. When you look at each side's point of view in parallel, you can pick out the actual facts, throw away all the pointless opinions the authors freely express, and formulate your own completely educated opinion.
Personally, overall I think this is a big hoop-lah over nothing. She is a liberal (weak or strong) who is replacing a liberal. She legally should have no affect on the SC, unless she allows her Latino heritage to form a platform. What she stupidly said in the past should teach her to smarten up for her future, now that she is under more scrutiny. The only problem with that is that what she happened to say in her past, happens to be a huge deal for a SC judge. I just hope she learned form it, or at least some one reminded her of what a SC judge is really there for.
Here's to hoping she turns out, b/c God help us all if people start getting a pass based on their heritage/race/sex and the "new law" she thinks she just made.

#12   2009/05/27 12:21PM
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Quote cats meow: i am very excited with obama's choice for supreme court justice, sonia sotomayor, from what i read, she sounds like she will bring allot to the table



I could not be happier with the choice although each of the ladies that were consiedered were extremely qualified. It is going to be so nice to have a woman as well as a Latino on the bench. For far to long the postiion has been open only to men. It is high time that that thinking is over and done. They desperately need more than just one token female on the bench. Each race and sex needs to be represented in order to help assure that each America no matter who they are will be represented fairly. I think she will do a wonderful job for us. I mean really, it don't take much to be better than the disgraceful Thomas has been during his term imo.

#13   2009/05/27 12:31PM
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Quote wannazach:
Quote cats meow: i am very excited with obama's choice for supreme court justice, sonia sotomayor, from what i read, she sounds like she will bring allot to the table



I could not be happier with the choice although each of the ladies that were consiedered were extremely qualified. It is going to be so nice to have a woman as well as a Latino on the bench. For far to long the postiion has been open only to men. It is high time that that thinking is over and done. They desperately need more than just one token female on the bench. Each race and sex needs to be represented in order to help assure that each America no matter who they are will be represented fairly. I think she will do a wonderful job for us. I mean really, it don't take much to be better than the disgraceful Thomas has been during his term imo.



But Thomas is the token black on the court

Thomas was born into poverty. His father left his family when he was two. His family was homeless at one point after a fire destroyed their house. He is a direct descendant of slaves. If we're going to swap sob stories - which SHOULD NOT propel anyone to the Supreme Court - Thomas has one every bit as inspiring as Ms. Sotomayor. Were he not conservative, he'd a hero to liberals rather than someone to mock & ridicule. They hate him b/c he's so smart he takes the liberals on the court to the woodshed all the time.

Clarence Thomas is a genius. Even some liberals are doubtful of this woman's ability to match wits with Thomas & Scalia. Read a few of their opinions (bring a dictionary) and then read a few of hers...

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#14   2009/05/27 12:35PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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Quote wannazach:
Quote cats meow: i am very excited with obama's choice for supreme court justice, sonia sotomayor, from what i read, she sounds like she will bring allot to the table



I could not be happier with the choice although each of the ladies that were consiedered were extremely qualified. It is going to be so nice to have a woman as well as a Latino on the bench. For far to long the postiion has been open only to men. It is high time that that thinking is over and done. They desperately need more than just one token female on the bench. Each race and sex needs to be represented in order to help assure that each America no matter who they are will be represented fairly. I think she will do a wonderful job for us. I mean really, it don't take much to be better than the disgraceful Thomas has been during his term imo.


The job of the SC is not to better represent the people, it is to interpret the laws already in affect. The fact that a person is chosen based on their race/sex is unlawful. If you want representation, see your House of Representatives, or your Executive Branch of Government. The SC is the one place where "representation" has no place, unless it is representation of the Constitution. This may sound "old world" to you and many others, but it is simple fact. The job of a SC judge has nothing to do with "the people" and everything to do with "the Constitutional law."
Most laws were made decades ago, so the SC is there to INTERPRET them based on modern life and society. Granted, every judge will have some personal bias based on some personal experience. But it is stright up unlawful for a judge to be there to "represent" women, or any group for that matter.
The viewpoint that the SC needs to better represent the people is unfortunately shared by many, and that is what has got to get with the times.

Would you really feel safer/better if you had a case brought to the SC, knowing the judges were appointed to better represent the demographics of the US, or would you feel better knowing they were people with intense law degrees with strong, consistent backgrounds? I choose the latter. And by no means am I saying I think she was based on her race/sex. I have no idea what Obama thinks.

#15   2009/05/27 12:39PM
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lovesit, thanks for pointing out that the Supreme Court is not subject to affirmative action. I am white, female, & Christian and you know what - I am fine with Scalia, an Italian Catholic male, & Thomas, a black male who is also Catholic, making rulings. The idea that the court, & the people of the U.S., is better served b/c its positions are filled based on race, gender, etc. is absurd & dangerous.

I am a huge fan of the two white guys George W. appointed. Two things he got right.

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