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Forced Treatment
Started by lovesit at 2009/05/20 08:20AMLatest post: 2009/06/01 03:27PM, Views: 728, Replies: 74
#31
2009/05/22 06:18PM
Re: Forced Treatment
Phuquaad |
I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! |
#32
2009/05/22 06:58PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor |
Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!!  LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. |
#33
2009/05/22 07:54PM
Re: Forced Treatment
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Phuquaad |
Quote sarahconnor: Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. Yes I did! The judge interviewed the boy, and found that he was not competent to make a well informed judgement on his condition. There is a procedure for assessing someone's competency, which the judge would follow in his interview. Besides, in no way is a 13 year old child able to comprehend the full magnitude of his illness and treatment. He is being led by a charlatan, and the views of his parents. And as for a 10 year old being charged as an adult, that has more to do with an incompetent forensic psychologist, then a 10 year olds capacity to fully understand the consequences of his actions. |
#34
2009/05/22 08:09PM
Re: Forced Treatment
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sarahconnor |
Quote Phuquaad: Quote sarahconnor: Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. Yes I did! The judge interviewed the boy, and found that he was not competent to make a well informed judgement on his condition. There is a procedure for assessing someone's competency, which the judge would follow in his interview. Besides, in no way is a 13 year old child able to comprehend the full magnitude of his illness and treatment. He is being led by a charlatan, and the views of his parents. And as for a 10 year old being charged as an adult, that has more to do with an incompetent forensic psychologist, then a 10 year olds capacity to fully understand the consequences of his actions. GOOD!! someone else that thinks like me joined this LOL!!!! Cats too! i agree 100%...i do not feel a 13 year old can make a judgment call like that - you are absolutely right. he can not understand the full realm of his situation. and he's obviously under the influence of his parents. isn't that like being brainwashed such as the entire warren jeff's compound? the welfare of this child is being compromised under the care of his parents therefore he needs to be removed for the sake of his life. i agree with the ruling. i don't know anything about this 10 year old issue...are there any articles you know of on that case? i did not feel the 10 year old was tried as an adult b/c of his capacity to understand to he did as - i felt the reasoning for that was probably different since it was a violent crime but i don't know anything about that case to form a valid opinion. |
#35
2009/05/26 06:38AM
Re: Forced Treatment
lovesit |
Quote sarahconnor: Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. I went out of town for the holidays, so I did not get to see this until now, and am not bringing it up to debate anymore. But I do not want anyone to think I was arguging this boy should have made his own decision. If you actually read my posts, you would have seen where I made several disclaimers that I was pretending he was not mentally disabled. My debate turned into that direction once cats informed me of his disability. We also agreed that a child psychologist had to have been brought in for this boy and determined he was mentally disabled. So before you "LMAO" at me and call me illogical or insane, fully read what people post. Then post your fully informed response. |
#36
2009/05/27 01:53AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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Phuquaad |
Quote lovesit: Quote sarahconnor: Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. I went out of town for the holidays, so I did not get to see this until now, and am not bringing it up to debate anymore. But I do not want anyone to think I was arguging this boy should have made his own decision. If you actually read my posts, you would have seen where I made several disclaimers that I was pretending he was not mentally disabled. My debate turned into that direction once cats informed me of his disability. We also agreed that a child psychologist had to have been brought in for this boy and determined he was mentally disabled. So before you "LMAO" at me and call me illogical or insane, fully read what people post. Then post your fully informed response. I refer you to your own words: Page 2 post#18: "I just think this ruling infringed on the parents' rights (pretending the boy has no disability)" Page 3 post#22: "...I do believe a 13 year old is old enough to be complely educated about the matter, and then make a decision." This is what I responding to of what YOU POSTED. |
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#37
2009/05/27 06:36AM
Re: Forced Treatment
JammyFan74 |
This is not an independent 13 year old that were talking about, he's not going to make a decision for himself and go against his mother. Not long ago I read about a similar situation and I just find it very disturbing that a parent would sooner see her child die then to let him get proper treatment. Sorry but setting miracles aside without a strong course of Medical action this boy will die. If that were to happen the parent belongs behind bars just like all the other lunatics who have tortured or abused children...What makes them any different?????? |
#38
2009/05/27 06:46AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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lovesit |
Quote Phuquaad: Quote lovesit: Quote sarahconnor: Quote Phuquaad: I can't believe that any logical or sane person would view the courts ordering a parent to seek medical treatment for a terminally ill child as an infringment on parental rights!! LMAO...i know right? i think it's ludicrous myself. did you read my postings? i know they are long winded lol. whatever religion this is ..it's more like a cult. and that is not really the point anyway....our justice system worked right in this case - they saved a child!! yay!!!! that's what it's there for ..to protect those that can't make decisions like this. but now the mother and the boy are on the run. if he dies, it's their own fault. (the parents) - i am not sure why this is being so heavily debated either. it's pretty cut & dry to me. I went out of town for the holidays, so I did not get to see this until now, and am not bringing it up to debate anymore. But I do not want anyone to think I was arguging this boy should have made his own decision. If you actually read my posts, you would have seen where I made several disclaimers that I was pretending he was not mentally disabled. My debate turned into that direction once cats informed me of his disability. We also agreed that a child psychologist had to have been brought in for this boy and determined he was mentally disabled. So before you "LMAO" at me and call me illogical or insane, fully read what people post. Then post your fully informed response. I refer you to your own words: Page 2 post#18: "I just think this ruling infringed on the parents' rights (pretending the boy has no disability)" Page 3 post#22: "...I do believe a 13 year old is old enough to be complely educated about the matter, and then make a decision." This is what I responding to of what YOU POSTED. Well thank you for proving my point. You have my disclaimer about no disability, and then we simply disagree about a 13 year old being able to be fully informed. You call me insane and illogical for disagreeing about a memtally ill child not wanting medical help. when that is not what I was claiming. SO if you call me insane and illogical for my belief a 13 tear old can make their own decisions, then I shall no longer post with you, for you are simply a very rude person. But before you make that claim, think about all the 13 year olds parents leave in charge of babysitting their own smaller children (the ultimate responsibility). Or my original claim when 10-and-ups get charged as adults. The law does see where these children can make fully informed decisions - if not mentally unfit. If you disagree about that, that is fine. I won't be calling you insane, because I happen to respect your opinion even though you have not reciprocated the courtesy. So I am done with this now. I have proved my own point, and you have validated it. We disagree about 13 year olds, which I admitted earlier I knew most people would probably disagree with me on. So have fun calling other people names, and I hope you do not have a 13 year old who you leave in charge of being by themselves taking care of your house, or your other children, because that is the most common example I can throw out there of how mentally competent 13 year olds have more responsibility than we give them credit for. Peace out. |
#39
2009/05/27 07:35AM
Re: Forced Treatment
cats meow |
i wonder what the age of consent is? i still think a 13 year old is way too young to make that decision |
#40
2009/05/27 07:46AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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lovesit |
Quote cats meow: i wonder what the age of consent is? i still think a 13 year old is way too young to make that decision does anyone know if they have been found yet? I believe it is 10, if my memory is correct from my criminal justice classes. These convictions, however, have tapered off drastically. More children are being sentenced to juvey. And thank you for always respectfully disagreeing with me. I know we disagree on many, if not most, fronts. And yes, they were found Monday. The mother brought him back, saying she would face the judge and go with whatever he said, and the charges were dropped against her. She did, however, say she hoped he would consider some options she had laid out that were alternatives to chemo, but I have no idea what chemo alternatives there are. |
#41
2009/05/27 07:51AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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cats meow |
Quote lovesit: Quote cats meow: i wonder what the age of consent is? i still think a 13 year old is way too young to make that decision does anyone know if they have been found yet? I believe it is 10, if my memory is correct from my criminal justice classes. These convictions, however, have tapered off drastically. More children are being sentenced to juvey. And thank you for always respectfully disagreeing with me. I know we disagree on many, if not most, fronts. And yes, they were found Monday. The mother brought him back, saying she would face the judge and go with whatever he said, and the charges were dropped against her. She did, however, say she hoped he would consider some options she had laid out that were alternatives to chemo, but I have no idea what chemo alternatives there are. thanks for the update and the info, actually i thought we agreed most of the time, i guess i better pay more attention, LOL |
#42
2009/05/27 08:02AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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lovesit |
Quote cats meow: Quote lovesit: Quote cats meow: i wonder what the age of consent is? i still think a 13 year old is way too young to make that decision does anyone know if they have been found yet? I believe it is 10, if my memory is correct from my criminal justice classes. These convictions, however, have tapered off drastically. More children are being sentenced to juvey. And thank you for always respectfully disagreeing with me. I know we disagree on many, if not most, fronts. And yes, they were found Monday. The mother brought him back, saying she would face the judge and go with whatever he said, and the charges were dropped against her. She did, however, say she hoped he would consider some options she had laid out that were alternatives to chemo, but I have no idea what chemo alternatives there are. thanks for the update and the info, actually i thought we agreed most of the time, i guess i better pay more attention, LOL Well, politically, we disagree mostly. I am conservatively independent, and I believe you are liberal? That is where that came from. |
#43
2009/05/27 08:14AM
Re: Forced Treatment
Tesstellthet... |
I saw on the news this morning where they had agreed to get the child treatment, chemo should start as early as tomorrow... |
#44
2009/05/27 08:18AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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cats meow |
quote lovesit...Well, politically, we disagree mostly. I am conservatively independent, and I believe you are liberal? That is where that came from. |
#45
2009/05/27 08:50AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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lovesit |
Quote cats meow: quote lovesit...Well, politically, we disagree mostly. I am conservatively independent, and I believe you are liberal? That is where that came from. yes i am, but i vote for i think who is best for the job Absolutely; me, too. |
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