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Forced Treatment

Started by lovesit at 2009/05/20 08:20AM
Latest post: 2009/06/01 03:27PM, Views: 732, Replies: 74
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#21   2009/05/21 08:02AM
Re: Forced Treatment
bigtimesoapfan
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Quote lovesit:
Quote bigtimesoapfan: If the parents are to stupid to treat their child, then they don't deserve him!! Or any others! A parents #1 job is to protect our kids! They didn't there for why should they raise him?


To play the modern-medicine-is-bad advocate (I happen to like it) these parents believe it is you and I that do not deserve our chlidren. They do believe they are protecting him. They have all stated that modern medicine has fatal side affects more so than homeopathic medicines, and that is why they choose not to undergo chemo. We know they are wrong just as much as they know we are wrong. I just think this ruling infringed on the parents' rights (pretending the boy has no disability).

But that is why I made this thread, to see how many were on each side, and the reasons for each.


Well maybe when they kill him(from lack of medical treatment they'll wake up! I doubt it though!! We had some religious quaks here in RI some years back who let their son die (mother breast fed baby stopped drinking it and instead of seeing a doctor or get formula they decided it was God's will! So when the mom got knocked up again the state took her baby!! Their still screaming about their rights? they don't deserve any in my opinion!!

#22   2009/05/21 10:27AM
Re: Forced Treatment
lovesit
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Quote bigtimesoapfan:
Quote lovesit:
Quote bigtimesoapfan: If the parents are to stupid to treat their child, then they don't deserve him!! Or any others! A parents #1 job is to protect our kids! They didn't there for why should they raise him?


To play the modern-medicine-is-bad advocate (I happen to like it) these parents believe it is you and I that do not deserve our chlidren. They do believe they are protecting him. They have all stated that modern medicine has fatal side affects more so than homeopathic medicines, and that is why they choose not to undergo chemo. We know they are wrong just as much as they know we are wrong. I just think this ruling infringed on the parents' rights (pretending the boy has no disability).

But that is why I made this thread, to see how many were on each side, and the reasons for each.


Well maybe when they kill him(from lack of medical treatment they'll wake up! I doubt it though!! We had some religious quaks here in RI some years back who let their son die (mother breast fed baby stopped drinking it and instead of seeing a doctor or get formula they decided it was God's will! So when the mom got knocked up again the state took her baby!! Their still screaming about their rights? they don't deserve any in my opinion!!


In that case I completely agree. The victim was still a baby and could not fend for himself.
But in this case, I do believe a 13 year old is old enough to be complely educated about the matter, and then make a decision. He testified he was informed, had gone through one round, and believed he would die from the chemop before the cancer. IDK, I just hope the judge didn't tread lightly.

#23   2009/05/21 12:27PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor
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In my opinion a 13 year old is not capable of making this kind of decision whether he has a learning disability or not. The brain of a 13 year old child is still too influencial & immature. if you read all of the facts on this case, you will see there are valid reasons for the chemo whether you agree on chemo or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgkin_disease

Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later, it was one of the first to be cured by combination chemotherapy.
The disease occurrence shows two peaks: the first in young adulthood (age 15–35) and the second in those over 55 years old. The survival rate is generally 90% or higher when the disease is detected during early stages, making it one of the more curable forms of cancer.[2] Hodgkin's lymphoma is one of the handful of cancers that, even in its later stages, has a very high cure rate, in the 90's.[3]

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There is no doubt that chemo is harsh and not for every case, but in this case, I can see why they are pushing it.
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scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/judge_john_rodenberg_gives_chemotherapy.php
Over the last week, I've written about the case of a 13-year-old chemotherapy refusenik named Daniel Hauser, who lives in Minnesota. After having been diagnosed with a highly curable form of cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma, back in February and having undergone one cycle of chemotherapy that apparently made him very sick, he refused further chemotherapy and his mother actually went to court to justify this decision. As part of their justification, they tried to use freedom of religion based on Daniel's supposedly being a "medicine man" in a cult of faux Native American wannabes called Nemenhah, which is led by Philip "Cloudpiler" Landis (who really should be called "Woo-Piler"), a white man who claims to be a naturopath and Native American "healer" peddling "cures" for AIDS and cancer. At first, I chalked this up as yet another case of religion leading to rejecting conventional medicine based on irrational beliefs, but later decided that religion was merely a convenient excuse to reject further chemotherapy because Daniel and his mother were scared by his reaction to the chemotherapy, this fear amplified by the memory of an aunt who had died while receiving chemotherapy. In the meantime, a flock of "alternative medicine" boosters have descended upon the comments of my previous post, complete with testimonials and rants against the state.

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I realize this may be a controversial case, but I do think the courts acted in the best interest of this child. I don’t know the details on his mental disabilities but if he does have them..sheesh that only adds further insult to injury. I don’t feel he should be sacrificed b/c of his parent’s odd religious beliefs.

#24   2009/05/21 01:40PM
Re: Forced Treatment
cats meow
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i hope they are found soon, he starts his treatments and his mother and father go to jail, are there no other relatives around??

#25   2009/05/21 01:57PM
Re: Forced Treatment
lovesit
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Quote sarahconnor: In my opinion a 13 year old is not capable of making this kind of decision whether he has a learning disability or not. The brain of a 13 year old child is still too influencial & immature. if you read all of the facts on this case, you will see there are valid reasons for the chemo whether you agree on chemo or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgkin_disease

Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later, it was one of the first to be cured by combination chemotherapy.
The disease occurrence shows two peaks: the first in young adulthood (age 15–35) and the second in those over 55 years old. The survival rate is generally 90% or higher when the disease is detected during early stages, making it one of the more curable forms of cancer.[2] Hodgkin's lymphoma is one of the handful of cancers that, even in its later stages, has a very high cure rate, in the 90's.[3]

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There is no doubt that chemo is harsh and not for every case, but in this case, I can see why they are pushing it.
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scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/judge_john_rodenberg_gives_chemotherapy.php
Over the last week, I've written about the case of a 13-year-old chemotherapy refusenik named Daniel Hauser, who lives in Minnesota. After having been diagnosed with a highly curable form of cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma, back in February and having undergone one cycle of chemotherapy that apparently made him very sick, he refused further chemotherapy and his mother actually went to court to justify this decision. As part of their justification, they tried to use freedom of religion based on Daniel's supposedly being a "medicine man" in a cult of faux Native American wannabes called Nemenhah, which is led by Philip "Cloudpiler" Landis (who really should be called "Woo-Piler"), a white man who claims to be a naturopath and Native American "healer" peddling "cures" for AIDS and cancer. At first, I chalked this up as yet another case of religion leading to rejecting conventional medicine based on irrational beliefs, but later decided that religion was merely a convenient excuse to reject further chemotherapy because Daniel and his mother were scared by his reaction to the chemotherapy, this fear amplified by the memory of an aunt who had died while receiving chemotherapy. In the meantime, a flock of "alternative medicine" boosters have descended upon the comments of my previous post, complete with testimonials and rants against the state.

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I realize this may be a controversial case, but I do think the courts acted in the best interest of this child. I don’t know the details on his mental disabilities but if he does have them..sheesh that only adds further insult to injury. I don’t feel he should be sacrificed b/c of his parent’s odd religious beliefs.


I see where you're coming from. I won't argue against it. But this last article...completly biased. The whole tone undermines the validity of homeopathis remedies. I always choose modern synthesized meds first, but I have been forced to go the homeopathis route a time or two, and they are legitimate (some).
My main example is this - if you are on antibiotics, you should drink pomegranite juice as well b/c it makes the antibiotics more potent (learned that in grad school).
I can't argue against the viewpoint that most believe the judge did right in this case, b/c lets face it, what natural remedy can take the place of chemo, but I have to point out the bias in this article.

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#26   2009/05/21 04:01PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor
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Quote lovesit:
Quote sarahconnor: In my opinion a 13 year old is not capable of making this kind of decision whether he has a learning disability or not. The brain of a 13 year old child is still too influencial & immature. if you read all of the facts on this case, you will see there are valid reasons for the chemo whether you agree on chemo or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgkin_disease

Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later, it was one of the first to be cured by combination chemotherapy.
The disease occurrence shows two peaks: the first in young adulthood (age 15–35) and the second in those over 55 years old. The survival rate is generally 90% or higher when the disease is detected during early stages, making it one of the more curable forms of cancer.[2] Hodgkin's lymphoma is one of the handful of cancers that, even in its later stages, has a very high cure rate, in the 90's.[3]

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There is no doubt that chemo is harsh and not for every case, but in this case, I can see why they are pushing it.
*

scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/judge_john_rodenberg_gives_chemotherapy.php
Over the last week, I've written about the case of a 13-year-old chemotherapy refusenik named Daniel Hauser, who lives in Minnesota. After having been diagnosed with a highly curable form of cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma, back in February and having undergone one cycle of chemotherapy that apparently made him very sick, he refused further chemotherapy and his mother actually went to court to justify this decision. As part of their justification, they tried to use freedom of religion based on Daniel's supposedly being a "medicine man" in a cult of faux Native American wannabes called Nemenhah, which is led by Philip "Cloudpiler" Landis (who really should be called "Woo-Piler"), a white man who claims to be a naturopath and Native American "healer" peddling "cures" for AIDS and cancer. At first, I chalked this up as yet another case of religion leading to rejecting conventional medicine based on irrational beliefs, but later decided that religion was merely a convenient excuse to reject further chemotherapy because Daniel and his mother were scared by his reaction to the chemotherapy, this fear amplified by the memory of an aunt who had died while receiving chemotherapy. In the meantime, a flock of "alternative medicine" boosters have descended upon the comments of my previous post, complete with testimonials and rants against the state.

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I realize this may be a controversial case, but I do think the courts acted in the best interest of this child. I don’t know the details on his mental disabilities but if he does have them..sheesh that only adds further insult to injury. I don’t feel he should be sacrificed b/c of his parent’s odd religious beliefs.


I see where you're coming from. I won't argue against it. But this last article...completly biased. The whole tone undermines the validity of homeopathis remedies. I always choose modern synthesized meds first, but I have been forced to go the homeopathis route a time or two, and they are legitimate (some).
My main example is this - if you are on antibiotics, you should drink pomegranite juice as well b/c it makes the antibiotics more potent (learned that in grad school).
I can't argue against the viewpoint that most believe the judge did right in this case, b/c lets face it, what natural remedy can take the place of chemo, but I have to point out the bias in this article.


this was not a discussion disputing alternative therapies vs scientific. i don't care if that article "sounds" biased...it's not about that. the argument is about what is in the best interest of this child for this disease. there is *no* validity in treating this particular illness with alternative therapies...alternative therapies are fine for certain medical issues....NOT this one given alot of scientific research. with chemo he has a 90% chance of survival. the child is biased due to seeing a family member die while undergoing chemo (i don't know what type of cancer his aunt had or what the circumstances were) and naturally he felt sick after his first round. let's not forget the influnence on him in regards to his family when it comes to their beliefs. i am in favor of the judge's ruling in this case. It is very obvious after reading multiple stories on this, that the family's religion is very cult like. this article coincides with many many others out there.

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#27   2009/05/22 06:39AM
Re: Forced Treatment
lovesit
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Quote sarahconnor:
Quote lovesit:
Quote sarahconnor: In my opinion a 13 year old is not capable of making this kind of decision whether he has a learning disability or not. The brain of a 13 year old child is still too influencial & immature. if you read all of the facts on this case, you will see there are valid reasons for the chemo whether you agree on chemo or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgkin_disease

Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later, it was one of the first to be cured by combination chemotherapy.
The disease occurrence shows two peaks: the first in young adulthood (age 15–35) and the second in those over 55 years old. The survival rate is generally 90% or higher when the disease is detected during early stages, making it one of the more curable forms of cancer.[2] Hodgkin's lymphoma is one of the handful of cancers that, even in its later stages, has a very high cure rate, in the 90's.[3]

*
There is no doubt that chemo is harsh and not for every case, but in this case, I can see why they are pushing it.
*

scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/judge_john_rodenberg_gives_chemotherapy.php
Over the last week, I've written about the case of a 13-year-old chemotherapy refusenik named Daniel Hauser, who lives in Minnesota. After having been diagnosed with a highly curable form of cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma, back in February and having undergone one cycle of chemotherapy that apparently made him very sick, he refused further chemotherapy and his mother actually went to court to justify this decision. As part of their justification, they tried to use freedom of religion based on Daniel's supposedly being a "medicine man" in a cult of faux Native American wannabes called Nemenhah, which is led by Philip "Cloudpiler" Landis (who really should be called "Woo-Piler"), a white man who claims to be a naturopath and Native American "healer" peddling "cures" for AIDS and cancer. At first, I chalked this up as yet another case of religion leading to rejecting conventional medicine based on irrational beliefs, but later decided that religion was merely a convenient excuse to reject further chemotherapy because Daniel and his mother were scared by his reaction to the chemotherapy, this fear amplified by the memory of an aunt who had died while receiving chemotherapy. In the meantime, a flock of "alternative medicine" boosters have descended upon the comments of my previous post, complete with testimonials and rants against the state.

*
I realize this may be a controversial case, but I do think the courts acted in the best interest of this child. I don’t know the details on his mental disabilities but if he does have them..sheesh that only adds further insult to injury. I don’t feel he should be sacrificed b/c of his parent’s odd religious beliefs.


I see where you're coming from. I won't argue against it. But this last article...completly biased. The whole tone undermines the validity of homeopathis remedies. I always choose modern synthesized meds first, but I have been forced to go the homeopathis route a time or two, and they are legitimate (some).
My main example is this - if you are on antibiotics, you should drink pomegranite juice as well b/c it makes the antibiotics more potent (learned that in grad school).
I can't argue against the viewpoint that most believe the judge did right in this case, b/c lets face it, what natural remedy can take the place of chemo, but I have to point out the bias in this article.


this was not a discussion disputing alternative therapies vs scientific. i don't care if that article "sounds" biased...it's not about that. the argument is about what is in the best interest of this child for this disease. there is *no* validity in treating this particular illness with alternative therapies...alternative therapies are fine for certain medical issues....NOT this one given alot of scientific research. with chemo he has a 90% chance of survival. the child is biased due to seeing a family member die while undergoing chemo (i don't know what type of cancer his aunt had or what the circumstances were) and naturally he felt sick after his first round. let's not forget the influnence on him in regards to his family when it comes to their beliefs. i am in favor of the judge's ruling in this case. It is very obvious after reading multiple stories on this, that the family's religion is very cult like. this article coincides with many many others out there.


I am well aware of what this thread is for..I made it. But the article you used to back up your belief (which is not what I am debating) was what brought up natural remedies. The article berates these parents for their "naturopathic" beliefs, and even states that their beliefs are irrational. I felt the article was completly rude and inappropriate, and disrespectful. While I agree they should have continued the chemo, I do not feel the courts should be able to intervene. Thats all. I know we differ on that, and most people here differ on that with me.

#28   2009/05/22 07:20AM
Re: Forced Treatment
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I still am not quite following here - the confusion may be on my part. do you think i'm debating herbal remedies? b/c i'm not.

that article was explaining "why" he is refusing chemo. i really don't care where the position on herbal remedies is in general when it comes to the person writing it. I care about the facts of this case. i don't even see how it's relevant b/c most of the other articles are very similar. maybe that person is biased against herbal remedies..i don't for sure b/c i don'tknow the guy who wrote it. they are speaking of Hodgkin's lymphoma..this is a very serious form of cancer that has a 90% success rate with chemo. the main thing it states in regards to their religion is "Daniel supposedly being a "medicine man" in a cult of faux Native American wannabes called Nemenhah, which is led by Philip "Cloudpiler" Landis (who really should be called "Woo-Piler"), a white man who claims to be a naturopath and Native American "healer" peddling "cures" for AIDS and cancer."

I am drawing the facts out and yes this is the truth. i agree i think it sounds not only irrational but downright insane. NOT the herbal remedy part, the part about daniel being a healer and some guy who has already been arrested (that is in other articles) claiming to be a part of something called Nemenhah. this was just 1 article out of many on this case. if this one sounds biased and upsets you, that is your right to feel that way. i don't see that it's rude or inappropriate and i'm soooo happy the courts jumped in. i personally do not think a 13 year old has the mental capacity to make a mature or informed choice. b/c of that i also believed he's being "influenced" by his parents when it comes to his decision and religious views. would you think the kids of waco, texas (the teens) were old enough to decide to be in that cult? we all know where that led. i'm a "facts/logical" person and i'm all for what is in the best interest of this child when it comes to his *particular* medical condition.

anyway this was an article i picked at random to shine a light on what the situation is in this particular case. my "opinion" on this case stands strong..the judge ruled against a bunch of quacks (my opinion) that were acting in a cult like fashion that would have only killed their child in the long run. i never said anyhing about my beliefs on herbal remedies...i am only speaking of my opinion on this case. and it appears we don't agree on that and i'm ok with that.

#29   2009/05/22 08:17AM
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sarahconnor
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in addition let me further explain why i'm so passionate about this case - we have laws for a reason and they are on a case by case situation - there is evidence and trials to conclude if a law is being broken. I like our justice system overall. it has failed at times but overall it has done more good in my opinion. I am a huge advocate for children b/c i don't think some parents are doing things in their best interest. i'm not speaking of home schooling, etc. that is not against the law.

i know some people are concerved about the government "intervening" in this case but i must ask, shouldn't they? this is a case of medical needs being neglected since we know the child's tumor is back and he was responding to treatment prior. he has a 90% chance of recovery per his oncologists for this particular disease with chemo but will surely die in due time otherwise.

this poses the question, should religions override our laws? what about the Mormon religious sector of Warren Jeffs? should he have been allowed to take a child bride (s) or pair up marriages (mostly to older men) in which underaged girls were married? some of the children claimed this was their belief at 14 and they considered it an honor however this was clearly against the law. so would a 14 year old be able to consent to this? it was also clear these kids had been brainwashed throughout their lives to think this was completely ok. this is an example of why children can NOT make these kinds of decisions. we have laws for a reason..it should be on a case by case basis in which it's clear the law has been broken, or a child's best interest is being neglected or simply not met. it should be there to protect the child..although i have referred to the parents as quacks, i mostly think they are terribly misguided in their beliefs and at the expense of their child.

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#30   2009/05/22 09:58AM
Re: Forced Treatment
lovesit
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So we'll stop talking about that article. I never intended for it to sound like I was advocating naturopathy. Sorry if it came across that way. I only brought them up because your article did. On the contrary, I always choose the man-made meds first. I was just saying that article in particular was nasty.
Anywho, moving on. I just hate that the the law is so interpretational and arbitrary. On one hand, you have the 13 year old who was kicked out of school for braids (he was a black male) and his mother came back saying it was their religious beliefs that he wear them. So, the school let him back in due to the big hoop-lah coming. Then we have the 10 year old male who kills his baby sibling and is charged as an adult, meaning he is old enough to understand and is knoweledgeable of the law. Then we have the 14 year old girls who were not knowledgeable enough to decide if they want to marry or not, even though the massive majority of history had girls married by this age. I know the need for a case by case basis, I just wish it would be a little more consistent. And for the record, I too believe this family is out there and wrong, I just don't think it my place to intervene in this case, assuming there is no mental disability that affects his comprehensions.

#31   2009/05/22 12:15PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor
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Quote lovesit: So we'll stop talking about that article. I never intended for it to sound like I was advocating naturopathy. Sorry if it came across that way. I only brought them up because your article did. On the contrary, I always choose the man-made meds first. I was just saying that article in particular was nasty.
Anywho, moving on. I just hate that the the law is so interpretational and arbitrary. On one hand, you have the 13 year old who was kicked out of school for braids (he was a black male) and his mother came back saying it was their religious beliefs that he wear them. So, the school let him back in due to the big hoop-lah coming. Then we have the 10 year old male who kills his baby sibling and is charged as an adult, meaning he is old enough to understand and is knoweledgeable of the law. Then we have the 14 year old girls who were not knowledgeable enough to decide if they want to marry or not, even though the massive majority of history had girls married by this age. I know the need for a case by case basis, I just wish it would be a little more consistent. And for the record, I too believe this family is out there and wrong, I just don't think it my place to intervene in this case, assuming there is no mental disability that affects his comprehensions.


Also, I never intended to suggest that i was against homeopathic therapy or any holistic approaches given they are in the right circumstances. however I do think they are best utilized in conjunction with treatments of a more scientific method such as FDA approved therapies given the exigency of the issue. I only used that article for the facts of this case - I didn't care who was biased against what nor did I even pay attention to that. I just wanted the facts to be clear.

our laws have had many revisions or exceptions to them b/c things needed to be elucidated at times to ensure they fit a situation. it simply can not be a one size fits all sadly. our trials and tribulations through the years have taught us this. there are too many exceptions to the rule. so yes, it is discretionary. personally i would not use the word arbitrary b/c that suggests the decisions made are not rational while many times the judgments are very rational and in accordance to the laws. i do think there have been cases where a *particular judge* was overly subjective but i don't find our judicial system overall to be this way. can it be this way at times? yes it can but i think it works good MOST of the time. there are just so many gray areas. nothing is black and white.

as for the child kicked out of school for braids, that is a gray area...there are laws protecting religious beliefs by allowing adornment or expression of it anywhere in our society. he was in violation of a rule more than likely but b/c of the law, it was overruled. if the religion is violating a law, that is a bit more complicated depending on the case. then there is a trial to determine the severity and go over the details. as for the 10 year old male tried as an adult, i really don't know the details of that case so i can not elaborate on an opinion. 10 years old sounds pretty young to be tried as an adult - the american bar association states if a juvenile is charged with a serious offense such as murder and violent extremes of a crime, they can request for the offender to be tried as an adult. typically the age range is 14 to 18 but this may be a state by state thing. I can't form an opinion unless I have the details on that case. however i do know that our laws see a violent crime committed by a juvenile as a different situation than when they are trying to protect a juvenile. and typically it must be a very violent crime and the reasoning for a more severe punishment may be to protect society. we all know juvenile's can be released a lot earlier.

I think this family broke the law by neglecting their child's medical needs. It is obvious what is in his best interest medically speaking. It is my opinion our system worked in this child's favor and protected this child as it is intended to do. this is basically a life or death situation in which a 13 year old is just not competent or mature enough to make a decision about. he has clearly been influenced by his parents on their religious beliefs rendering him too immature to know what is best for his own welfare.

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#32   2009/05/22 02:56PM
Re: Forced Treatment
cats meow
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my personal story is, i have tried both for chronic pain, i think the parent should do both, ANYTHING to save their son, 90% success sounds like good odds to me

#33   2009/05/22 04:22PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow: my personal story is, i have tried both for chronic pain, i think the parent should do both, ANYTHING to save their son, 90% success sounds like good odds to me


same here Cats, it's about saving the child above all. the parents are misguided and their beliefs are equal to medical neglect. for the sake of the life of this child, the courts did the right thing. at 13, i believed in so many crazy things and i was pretty typical for a 13 year old. i only thank GOD i could not make serious decisions regarding my health at that age.

#34   2009/05/22 05:15PM
Re: Forced Treatment
cats meow
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Quote sarahconnor:
Quote cats meow: my personal story is, i have tried both for chronic pain, i think the parent should do both, ANYTHING to save their son, 90% success sounds like good odds to me


same here Cats, it's about saving the child above all. the parents are misguided and their beliefs are equal to medical neglect. for the sake of the life of this child, the courts did the right thing. at 13, i believed in so many crazy things and i was pretty typical for a 13 year old. i only thank GOD i could not make serious decisions regarding my health at that age.


i hope they find them, quickly

#35   2009/05/22 05:50PM
Re: Forced Treatment
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow:
Quote sarahconnor:
Quote cats meow: my personal story is, i have tried both for chronic pain, i think the parent should do both, ANYTHING to save their son, 90% success sounds like good odds to me


same here Cats, it's about saving the child above all. the parents are misguided and their beliefs are equal to medical neglect. for the sake of the life of this child, the courts did the right thing. at 13, i believed in so many crazy things and i was pretty typical for a 13 year old. i only thank GOD i could not make serious decisions regarding my health at that age.


i hope they find them, quickly


yeah i read they were on the run. sheesh. i hope so too.

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