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Quote BaileyBaby:









Oh Boy... This is so hard & I am so glad I don't have to sit on a jury.
I do not feel a child should be allowed to make a decision like this. For the mere reason, they are children.
As far as the courts charging a child as an adult for felonies? I don't know what the difference would be in sentencing. Is that why they charge some as children & some as adults?

Quote lovesit:

I agree, if I had to be on this jury (although I think it was just a judge here)I would be sitting up at night, worrying if I was infringing on parental rights.

If charged as adults, there is possible prison time, it will NOT be taken off their record (I'm pretty sure of that one), and all of the possibilities as if they were adults. If charged as a minor, there is NO prison time, and not even a court date with a jury. They go through juvenile court, and if charged that way, they go through either a probationary style punishment, or are confined to a juvenile facility until 18, and another trial will be held.
So yes, if held as an adult, the outcome is far different than if held accountable as a minor.

So in this case, he was held as a minor. My only point was this, if a 10 year old can he held accountable for murdering his little sibling, why can a 13 year old not be held acountable for his own inevitable suicide due to a belief he has had all his life?
Of course, then cats informed me of his disability, so of course in this case I am arguing for his accountability.

Quote BaileyBaby:











I guess I am going to have to bail on this one. I will say this..... It will take someone A LOT smarter than me to figure this out!!

Quote grits1976: As I said in an earlier post, I think that in both medical and criminal cases for minors a psych examination is both called for and necessary.

Quote lovesit: I am curious as to what people think about this case. The 13 year old boy who was ordered, by a judge, to undergo chemo for his Hodgkins cancer after his parents were accused of medical negligence for not treating him. His family belongs to a religious group who only believes in natural meds. Him and his mother are now "missing."

Here is my take:
While most people argue that a 13 year old is not old enough to make a decision, we charge minors as adults all the time. They are deemed mature enough to be held responsible for their decisions; yet, in this case, he had that right taken away. If he wants to die naturally, I say he is old enough to determine that for himself. Sure, he should have been ordered by the judge to undergo counseling, and education about chemo and other meds available. I know one can argue he has been brainwashed by his parents, but if that is their belief system, who are we as people, and even judges, to say they are wrong?

Chemo only bolsters your succes rate from about 2% to 4%. Yes, that is double then if you do not take chemo, but it is only 4%. Can we really blame him for not wanting it?

Also, if he was a child under, say, 10, which I believe is the youngest person we recently have held as an adult, then I can see where he would be legally forced. But he is old enough to be charged as an adult, which is my point here.
Any one else agree, disagree, think I am nuts?

Quote bigtimesoapfan: If the parents are to stupid to treat their child, then they don't deserve him!! Or any others! A parents #1 job is to protect our kids! They didn't there for why should they raise him?

Quote cats meow:

no sweat, i just read that info today, they were not specific, just said he can't read and has learning disabilities, this is a tough one, a good friend of mine that worked at a children's hospital said they always had injunctions ready when a jehovah witness patient was admitted, so they could administer blood transfusions if necessary, that faith does not believe in them, and many of the kids were lukemia patients and needed the blood, very often so many members would show up to protest, they had to be removed, my friend said they got to hate them

Quote clicquot1:
Ok, here's the problem that I have with some religious faiths and their beliefs about science & medicine. To me, if you really have faith in the LORD why don't you believe that GOD gave us medicine to help his children? Don't you have faith in him?

Quote clicquot1:
Ok, here's the problem that I have with some religious faiths and their beliefs about science & medicine. To me, if you really have faith in the LORD why don't you believe that GOD gave us medicine to help his children? Don't you have faith in him?

Quote grits1976:

As a Christian, I believe that God works in every situation for an ultimate plan. A result of believing this way is that I believe God granted medical professionals wisdom and technology to help those that can be helped. I think that if God had a problem with the PRACTICE of medicine, Jesus wouldn't have chosen a Dr. (Luke, author of Luke and Acts, in the New Testament) as one of his Apostles. Or Luke would have instead of treating and helping Paul in his last days he would've renounced his profession.

Quote clicquot1:
Amen, it's really so simple when you trust in the Lord........................................................

Quote Blue 501: It's harder to decide what's right if the chemo would only increase his chances by a little & can be so debilitating but what if he had diabetes & could lead an almost normal life by taking insulin & his parents refused to allow him to have it and he died from a diabetic coma? It's not so hard to see what is right in that circumstance, is it?