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I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate

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#41   2009/05/14 06:54AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!


AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it.
EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage?

Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other.
KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that?
I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children.
I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show.
How would you feel if people were calling your kids names?
You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO!
How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family.

Glass houses people, glass houses.

Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps??
Jon is never like that.


Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!!


Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate.
Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again.
At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.
Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO.
How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously.
Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer.
You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted.


First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid!


Obviously I do have to make it simple. You got EVERYTHING I posted WRONG!
You don't know that he had an affair.

The need to call children names and ridicule them is not attractive, and in your own words..if that's how you talk about a strangers children..need I say more? I'll just keep my opinion to myself.
You post that crap you just spewed and tell me you feel sorry for me? Laughable!
You expect me to believe you don't talk to your spouse like that and you talk to me like dirt on your shoe? I call BULL S--T!!
YOU have no idea what goes on..that has ALWAYS been my point..I don't care if I get edited you are impossible.
Stop calling me out, it's against guidelines and I will NOT tolerate it.
You get all bent about Kate and you are dishing out the same crap you accuse her of?
You have no idea what has happened in their house, stop acting like you know them.
No wonder bad press spreads so quickly....birds of a feather...
Seriously, you need to dial it down and not put so much effort into others lives, and stop assuming you are right and try to SHOVE it down others throats. This is exactly why there is so much bad press. People that think they're in the "know."
All I have EVER said in this entire thread and I will maintain my words..You don't know, and kids are off limits. You may have an opinion, but name calling is unacceptable...and one can only speculate what is the real truth..unless I'm talking to Jon himself.
P.S.
Does it satisfy you to call children names?

Sorry Eric, Anna and Jade. This is too much.
email me if you need to.
I'm outta here.


A: I don't know you and I could care less about your feelings I don't treat the people I love like crap unlike Katezilla.

B: I gave birth to my children and I will say whatever I want to them since the word "brat" is sooooo offensive to you. I don't know where you live but I have heard worse things then calling someones kid a brat.

C: You began with the shoving of opinions down throats so if you can't take your own heat get out the kitchen.

D: Bye Bye it was fun



A: I never once shoved, or expressed any opinions that I knew about these people. That would be you. I rather simply stated that one shouldn't believe EVERYTHING they read.
B: I'm sure you do call your kids anything you want...it's obvious. I'm positive you have heard worse..I'll let you finish that thought........you gave birth to them it gives you that right.
C: If you think that junk you spat at me hurt my feelings...you obviously aren't familiar with me here...again
D: I thought you were done with this thread because it's stupid?

Good day "princess"

#42   2009/05/14 07:29AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer, I just want to say that I don't feel sorry for your family at all, I think they are blessed to have you...

What ever happened to the saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it all?"

I can't even believe that on the 5th page of this thread some people still haven't realized that no matter who's kid your talking about, it's not okay to bash them!!

Princess, your a mom right? Then you must know that children are a product of their environment...
You must realize how hard it has to be to care for 8 children, and how straining that can be on a marriage...
Regardless of how stressed a man or a woman may be in their marriage, it never constitutes the right to cheat!! There is always the option to just leave...
This thread is just ridiculous, and Tammer if I were you, I'd walk away from this conversation with my head held high and not look back...it's so not worth it!

#43   2009/05/14 08:06AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote Tesstellthetruthalre: Tammer, I just want to say that I don't feel sorry for your family at all, I think they are blessed to have you...

What ever happened to the saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it all?"

I can't even believe that on the 5th page of this thread some people still haven't realized that no matter who's kid your talking about, it's not okay to bash them!!

Princess, your a mom right? Then you must know that children are a product of their environment...
You must realize how hard it has to be to care for 8 children, and how straining that can be on a marriage...
Regardless of how stressed a man or a woman may be in their marriage, it never constitutes the right to cheat!! There is always the option to just leave...
This thread is just ridiculous, and Tammer if I were you, I'd walk away from this conversation with my head held high and not look back...it's so not worth it!


Thanks Tess!!

#44   2009/05/14 08:07AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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NP Tammer

#45   2009/05/15 04:33AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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All right so last night I'm watching tv and I see Her brother and his wife(the one who is on the show sometimes) telling personal info about Kate and John. Regardless of the truth what kind of brother goes on national tv and bad mouths a family member! If I were Kate, It'd be a cold day in he!! before they ever stepped foot in my home again!!!

#46   2009/05/15 07:06AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote raving: Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"...
Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though


Thank you.
That's exactly my point.


O raving you have it very wrong first my daughters middle name is Chyrstin it has nothing to do with being christian its not even spelt remotely to same im not christian check the non believers thread and my daughter is my princess. I don't give a crap how people assume my name and how u interpret it is way out there let me say! I could also assume that your name is raving because you like the go to raves? I call her Katezilla because that's how she acts and its funny to me so twist my name anyway you want .


I've seen a bunch of your posts and yes you are definitley not a christian! Just a quick question if Cameras were rolling in your house. observing your family , what would they call you? Honestly, (not that I'd let camera's role in my house but), I wouldn't want to know my name? It would probably be something close to Mommy who yells alot?
Oh and I call my little girl my princess too, Problem is she thinks it's true! She's getting better though! I do agree that @ times Cara's behavior is sadly lacking but hello she has 7 siblings and is trying to get attn any way she can! It's normal! In the long run I think she'll be fine!
( oh and one more thing I'm so exited today Abbey Learned to ride her bike last night without training wheels all by herself!! I am a very proud mom!!


Well see I am what I like to call aggressivley passive aggressive I don't have to yell ALL the time to get my point across. I didn't say I don't yell I didn't say im perfect but the way that woman acts is plain ridiculous. I mean that poor guy doesn't catch a break. What If he was talking to her like that then there would probably public outraged and allegations of abuse. And im sorry I didn't get the memo that saying the word brat is the most offensive thing you could call a kid! I think I would take more offense to words like stupid or out of control or I dunno evil deliquents? I guess that's my opinon! I never said there is something wrong the child or that she's on the road to disaster all I said is that the twins are getting bratty! You know I don't know when I said I was a "perfect mom" I told my son yesterday that he's worth good money on the black market LOL I was JK of course. But I yell and scream with the best of them but in my household I don't get results like that im about results. Also I don't like hurting peoples feelings in the process especially my hubbys because we are a team I can't have my star players head not in the game LOL. Good for your daughter my son is still looking at his trike like its gonna bite him and my 2yr old feel off a chair on mothers day morning and busted his little lip wide open Happy mothers day to me LOL

#47   2009/05/15 07:21AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!


AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it.
EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage?

Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other.
KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that?
I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children.
I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show.
How would you feel if people were calling your kids names?
You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO!
How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family.

Glass houses people, glass houses.

Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps??
Jon is never like that.


Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!!


Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate.
Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again.
At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.
Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO.
How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously.
Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer.
You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted.


First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid!


Obviously I do have to make it simple. You got EVERYTHING I posted WRONG!
You don't know that he had an affair.

The need to call children names and ridicule them is not attractive, and in your own words..if that's how you talk about a strangers children..need I say more? I'll just keep my opinion to myself.
You post that crap you just spewed and tell me you feel sorry for me? Laughable!
You expect me to believe you don't talk to your spouse like that and you talk to me like dirt on your shoe? I call BULL S--T!!
YOU have no idea what goes on..that has ALWAYS been my point..I don't care if I get edited you are impossible.
Stop calling me out, it's against guidelines and I will NOT tolerate it.
You get all bent about Kate and you are dishing out the same crap you accuse her of?
You have no idea what has happened in their house, stop acting like you know them.
No wonder bad press spreads so quickly....birds of a feather...
Seriously, you need to dial it down and not put so much effort into others lives, and stop assuming you are right and try to SHOVE it down others throats. This is exactly why there is so much bad press. People that think they're in the "know."
All I have EVER said in this entire thread and I will maintain my words..You don't know, and kids are off limits. You may have an opinion, but name calling is unacceptable...and one can only speculate what is the real truth..unless I'm talking to Jon himself.
P.S.
Does it satisfy you to call children names?

Sorry Eric, Anna and Jade. This is too much.
email me if you need to.
I'm outta here.


A: I don't know you and I could care less about your feelings I don't treat the people I love like crap unlike Katezilla.

B: I gave birth to my children and I will say whatever I want to them since the word "brat" is sooooo offensive to you. I don't know where you live but I have heard worse things then calling someones kid a brat.

C: You began with the shoving of opinions down throats so if you can't take your own heat get out the kitchen.

D: Bye Bye it was fun



A: I never once shoved, or expressed any opinions that I knew about these people. That would be you. I rather simply stated that one shouldn't believe EVERYTHING they read.
B: I'm sure you do call your kids anything you want...it's obvious. I'm positive you have heard worse..I'll let you finish that thought........you gave birth to them it gives you that right.
C: If you think that junk you spat at me hurt my feelings...you obviously aren't familiar with me here...again
D: I thought you were done with this thread because it's stupid?

Good day "princess"


I was thinking Tammer maybe its an age thing. When you got married 20yrs ago I guess husbands expected to be nagged and yelled at for not using a coupon. But in this day an age husbands don't stick around for that abuse and I don't blame them. If I was treated like Jon was I would be the first one to say bye bye. Me and my husband catch the show and he always asks me what is wrong with her? He always says she really needs a drink and a joint. Me personally I am aggresivly passive aggressive yelling doesn't accomplish anything in my household. If it does anything it makes stuff worse I am a young mom of 3 and before I had my kids I was already lacking in the patience department from being in business. All I am trying to say is that I don't see how you don't see that she treats him poorly. What if he was on tv talking to her like that everyone would be outraged and offended! Jon doesn't do anything extremly wrong he does stuff his way but its not up to Katezillas standards. Im not going to sit hear and defend my method of parenting to you because you don't know me or my family and I don't yell at my kids or husband from dawn to dusk! And im sorry you find the word brat so offensive that's the word I choose to use I don't think her kids are bad kids just bratty sometimes. I didn't know when brat became a curse word? FYI you quoted my post first and said I was harsh blah blah blah and that she's a real person blah blah blah sounds like shoving YOUR opinon down my throat. I don't care if you like Katezilla are not my opinon is she is a B**** she deserved what she got and maybe she will treat her husband a little better!

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#48   2009/05/15 07:27AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote raving: Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"...
Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though


Thank you.
That's exactly my point.


O raving you have it very wrong first my daughters middle name is Chyrstin it has nothing to do with being christian its not even spelt remotely to same im not christian check the non believers thread and my daughter is my princess. I don't give a crap how people assume my name and how u interpret it is way out there let me say! I could also assume that your name is raving because you like the go to raves? I call her Katezilla because that's how she acts and its funny to me so twist my name anyway you want .


I've seen a bunch of your posts and yes you are definitley not a christian! Just a quick question if Cameras were rolling in your house. observing your family , what would they call you? Honestly, (not that I'd let camera's role in my house but), I wouldn't want to know my name? It would probably be something close to Mommy who yells alot?
Oh and I call my little girl my princess too, Problem is she thinks it's true! She's getting better though! I do agree that @ times Cara's behavior is sadly lacking but hello she has 7 siblings and is trying to get attn any way she can! It's normal! In the long run I think she'll be fine!
( oh and one more thing I'm so exited today Abbey Learned to ride her bike last night without training wheels all by herself!! I am a very proud mom!!


Well see I am what I like to call aggressivley passive aggressive I don't have to yell ALL the time to get my point across. I didn't say I don't yell I didn't say im perfect but the way that woman acts is plain ridiculous. I mean that poor guy doesn't catch a break. What If he was talking to her like that then there would probably public outraged and allegations of abuse. And im sorry I didn't get the memo that saying the word brat is the most offensive thing you could call a kid! I think I would take more offense to words like stupid or out of control or I dunno evil deliquents? I guess that's my opinon! I never said there is something wrong the child or that she's on the road to disaster all I said is that the twins are getting bratty! You know I don't know when I said I was a "perfect mom" I told my son yesterday that he's worth good money on the black market LOL I was JK of course. But I yell and scream with the best of them but in my household I don't get results like that im about results. Also I don't like hurting peoples feelings in the process especially my hubbys because we are a team I can't have my star players head not in the game LOL. Good for your daughter my son is still looking at his trike like its gonna bite him and my 2yr old feel off a chair on mothers day morning and busted his little lip wide open Happy mothers day to me LOL



*LMAO!! your too funny! So true though right! And don't feel bad my yelling doesn't get the results I want either! I asked my son 7 times this am to get ready for school and finally when I threatened no video games this weekend worked!

*I try to but my hubby is pig headed sometimes and overreacts! which causes yelling but @ least we stick to the part we added to our vows, never go to bed angry! It really works!

*Don't feel bad my st. son is 13 he just learned last summer and as soon as he did his bike is yet again collecting cobwebs! and my 9 year old is too afraid of falling to try his bike! My daughter busted her lip on Mommy day too but she did it when she tried to jump on a moving fence(equipment @ our playground it's a pole with a fence like thing on it you step on it and use your foot to spin) I thought she'd need stiches hopefully all worked out!

* By the way it's nice having a friendly thread with you! And happy belated mommy day to you too!! hope you have a great day!!

#49   2009/05/15 07:30AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!


AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it.
EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage?

Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other.
KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that?
I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children.
I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show.
How would you feel if people were calling your kids names?
You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO!
How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family.

Glass houses people, glass houses.

Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps??
Jon is never like that.


Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!!


Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate.
Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again.
At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.
Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO.
How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously.
Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer.
You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted.


First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid!


Obviously I do have to make it simple. You got EVERYTHING I posted WRONG!
You don't know that he had an affair.

The need to call children names and ridicule them is not attractive, and in your own words..if that's how you talk about a strangers children..need I say more? I'll just keep my opinion to myself.
You post that crap you just spewed and tell me you feel sorry for me? Laughable!
You expect me to believe you don't talk to your spouse like that and you talk to me like dirt on your shoe? I call BULL S--T!!
YOU have no idea what goes on..that has ALWAYS been my point..I don't care if I get edited you are impossible.
Stop calling me out, it's against guidelines and I will NOT tolerate it.
You get all bent about Kate and you are dishing out the same crap you accuse her of?
You have no idea what has happened in their house, stop acting like you know them.
No wonder bad press spreads so quickly....birds of a feather...
Seriously, you need to dial it down and not put so much effort into others lives, and stop assuming you are right and try to SHOVE it down others throats. This is exactly why there is so much bad press. People that think they're in the "know."
All I have EVER said in this entire thread and I will maintain my words..You don't know, and kids are off limits. You may have an opinion, but name calling is unacceptable...and one can only speculate what is the real truth..unless I'm talking to Jon himself.
P.S.
Does it satisfy you to call children names?

Sorry Eric, Anna and Jade. This is too much.
email me if you need to.
I'm outta here.


A: I don't know you and I could care less about your feelings I don't treat the people I love like crap unlike Katezilla.

B: I gave birth to my children and I will say whatever I want to them since the word "brat" is sooooo offensive to you. I don't know where you live but I have heard worse things then calling someones kid a brat.

C: You began with the shoving of opinions down throats so if you can't take your own heat get out the kitchen.

D: Bye Bye it was fun



A: I never once shoved, or expressed any opinions that I knew about these people. That would be you. I rather simply stated that one shouldn't believe EVERYTHING they read.
B: I'm sure you do call your kids anything you want...it's obvious. I'm positive you have heard worse..I'll let you finish that thought........you gave birth to them it gives you that right.
C: If you think that junk you spat at me hurt my feelings...you obviously aren't familiar with me here...again
D: I thought you were done with this thread because it's stupid?

Good day "princess"


I was thinking Tammer maybe its an age thing. When you got married 20yrs ago I guess husbands expected to be nagged and yelled at for not using a coupon. But in this day an age husbands don't stick around for that abuse and I don't blame them. If I was treated like Jon was I would be the first one to say bye bye. Me and my husband catch the show and he always asks me what is wrong with her? He always says she really needs a drink and a joint. Me personally I am aggresivly passive aggressive yelling doesn't accomplish anything in my household. If it does anything it makes stuff worse I am a young mom of 3 and before I had my kids I was already lacking in the patience department from being in business. All I am trying to say is that I don't see how you don't see that she treats him poorly. What if he was on tv talking to her like that everyone would be outraged and offended! Jon doesn't do anything extremly wrong he does stuff his way but its not up to Katezillas standards. Im not going to sit hear and defend my method of parenting to you because you don't know me or my family and I don't yell at my kids or husband from dawn to dusk! And im sorry you find the word brat so offensive that's the word I choose to use I don't think her kids are bad kids just bratty sometimes. I didn't know when brat became a curse word?



That might definitley help! it is def. a stress relever(not that I'd know!!)

#50   2009/05/15 07:42AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though


Thank you.
That's exactly my point.


O raving you have it very wrong first my daughters middle name is Chyrstin it has nothing to do with being christian its not even spelt remotely to same im not christian check the non believers thread and my daughter is my princess. I don't give a crap how people assume my name and how u interpret it is way out there let me say! I could also assume that your name is raving because you like the go to raves? I call her Katezilla because that's how she acts and its funny to me so twist my name anyway you want .


I've seen a bunch of your posts and yes you are definitley not a christian! Just a quick question if Cameras were rolling in your house. observing your family , what would they call you? Honestly, (not that I'd let camera's role in my house but), I wouldn't want to know my name? It would probably be something close to Mommy who yells alot?
Oh and I call my little girl my princess too, Problem is she thinks it's true! She's getting better though! I do agree that @ times Cara's behavior is sadly lacking but hello she has 7 siblings and is trying to get attn any way she can! It's normal! In the long run I think she'll be fine!
( oh and one more thing I'm so exited today Abbey Learned to ride her bike last night without training wheels all by herself!! I am a very proud mom!!


Well see I am what I like to call aggressivley passive aggressive I don't have to yell ALL the time to get my point across. I didn't say I don't yell I didn't say im perfect but the way that woman acts is plain ridiculous. I mean that poor guy doesn't catch a break. What If he was talking to her like that then there would probably public outraged and allegations of abuse. And im sorry I didn't get the memo that saying the word brat is the most offensive thing you could call a kid! I think I would take more offense to words like stupid or out of control or I dunno evil deliquents? I guess that's my opinon! I never said there is something wrong the child or that she's on the road to disaster all I said is that the twins are getting bratty! You know I don't know when I said I was a "perfect mom" I told my son yesterday that he's worth good money on the black market LOL I was JK of course. But I yell and scream with the best of them but in my household I don't get results like that im about results. Also I don't like hurting peoples feelings in the process especially my hubbys because we are a team I can't have my star players head not in the game LOL. Good for your daughter my son is still looking at his trike like its gonna bite him and my 2yr old feel off a chair on mothers day morning and busted his little lip wide open Happy mothers day to me LOL



*LMAO!! your too funny! So true though right! And don't feel bad my yelling doesn't get the results I want either! I asked my son 7 times this am to get ready for school and finally when I threatened no video games this weekend worked!

*I try to but my hubby is pig headed sometimes and overreacts! which causes yelling but @ least we stick to the part we added to our vows, never go to bed angry! It really works!

*Don't feel bad my st. son is 13 he just learned last summer and as soon as he did his bike is yet again collecting cobwebs! and my 9 year old is too afraid of falling to try his bike! My daughter busted her lip on Mommy day too but she did it when she tried to jump on a moving fence(equipment @ our playground it's a pole with a fence like thing on it you step on it and use your foot to spin) I thought she'd need stiches hopefully all worked out!

* By the way it's nice having a friendly thread with you! And happy belated mommy day to you too!! hope you have a great day!!


That's always good remember your vows LOL see I am a underline B**** to my husband instead of yelling why don't you get up and do soething you have been playing vidoegames all day!! I will hit him with you know your kids want to play with you why don't you give the xbox a rest and come and have family time. He can't resist because im sooo nice about it reverse psychology LOL! What a coincidence both kids busting there lips on mothers day my hard headed little son was on a chair with wheels on it on his tippy toes trying to grab something off the fridge. I thought he lost a tooth but we were good I gave him a popsicle and called it a day . Thian is my trouble maker I should really rename him his name means peaceful in vietmanese . Yea that was a mistake on moms part. I know it seems like we are always on opposing side I never take nothing to heart evryone has there opinons and I fight to the end right or wrong LOL

#51   2009/05/15 07:59AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Not me I usually give up as My views are a little old fashioned in some regards!(and as my mom always says turn the other cheek) I have a problem both with typing and with what I say(think before you speak or type!)and dig a hole to big to climb out of!! Popsicles always make things better! I wish my hubby's issue was playing games (at least they could play too) he likes to watch Horror movies(the grosser the better) and sleep( he missed Abbey's first cause he was too lazy to get up!)! Hopefully he gets a job soon I'm lucky if I get to watch my shows once a week! Thank god for this site!
Have a great weekend!

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#52   2009/05/15 09:58AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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I'm posting in this thread again to address your post princess.
First of all when I got married has nothing to do with my opinions.
I NOT ONCE suggested that Kate doesn't "nag" Jon. What I said was...you don't know that she does it all day long.
The show is only taped one day per week.
You have no idea what goes on after the kids go to bed.
For all ANY OF US KNOWS, Jon understands that his wife is HIGHLY stressed, at times and understands why she is nagging him. Doesn't mean he likes it, but understands.

I'm sure they have time together when all the children are asleep.
The point is you don't know this.
Saying she nags and treats him bad all day is ASSUMING, not FACT.

About calling the kids brats, well yes I do find it offensive. I don't see the need to attack a small child.
EVER. Their kids act exactly like all of our kids do.

I'm not an old woman, I'm 44 and I have been married for 27 years.
I don't nag at my husband all day, but you can bet your arse it happens. Sometimes not at all, sometimes several times a day...and yes sometimes days maybe weeks go by and guess what? No nagging.
I DO NOT believe that doesn't happen in your house. That is impossible.
Certain things set me off, and that may not be important to someone else..however it may irritate me to no end.
That's my point.
Kate was pissed he didn't use the coupon for $50..I would have FREAKED! That's $50..a lot of money. I don't care if you have lots of money or not! Maybe she reminded him several times to NOT forget the coupon...and like a typical man, "he forgot" that can get annoying. We don't know this.

You seem to think I'm attacking you about your opinions through this thread, not so.
I only take issue with you calling a child a brat.
Now if you had said they were acting "bratty" I would not have taken issue, big difference. It's their actions you are commenting on..not them personally.
You might want to choose your words better.
As for the rest of my comments, I was trying to drive a point home to you.
Here it is again.
You have no idea what goes on in their house, can only ASSUME from what you are shown on tv( which is only taped a few months out of a year).
You have no right to ASSUME that you are privy to this kind of information, and making false assumptions is careless. JMO

I'm sure inside their lives is very complicated, and if you for one second don't think the stress of raising 2-8 yr olds and 6-5 yr olds make you a not so patient, loving person from time to time...you are sadly mistaken.

Again, you are welcome to your opinion, I can't help that I feel compelled to tell you I feel you are wrong...because you don't know.
So with that being said, i hope you don't have any hard feelings. I enjoyed our debate.
Have a great weekend.

This thread was supposed to be about feeling compelled to pray for this lovely family, not be high-jacked with insults and speculation about them.
Let's try to get back on topic here..

I pray that they get past this horrible time in their lives.

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#53   2009/05/15 09:59AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer
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Quote bigtimesoapfan: Not me I usually give up as My views are a little old fashioned in some regards!(and as my mom always says turn the other cheek) I have a problem both with typing and with what I say(think before you speak or type!)and dig a hole to big to climb out of!! Popsicles always make things better! I wish my hubby's issue was playing games (at least they could play too) he likes to watch Horror movies(the grosser the better) and sleep( he missed Abbey's first cause he was too lazy to get up!)! Hopefully he gets a job soon I'm lucky if I get to watch my shows once a week! Thank god for this site!
Have a great weekend!


Good luck with the job for your husband, I know how stressful that can be.
#54   2009/05/16 06:46AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
val15
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Addressing what someone wrote about Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodi -- I didn't see any of their interviews, I only read what they have said in the tabloids recently, and if the tabloids are to be believed, then apparently TLC wanted to compensate them for their time on camera and Kate freaked out, saying no, that's not gonna happen, it's over, the theory being that any money paid out comes from one big pot and if it goes to them it's not going to her. So I think that might tend to alienate her brother and sister-in-law. This is her flesh and blood brother. I watched the episode yesterday when they were putting up shelving in the old garage. Kevin and Jodi quite obviously love and care about this family. It's horribly sad. What they have said in writing, like don't trade your family for fame and fortune, and how they are greatly concerned for their nieces and nephews -- I believe that is really coming from their hearts. These two have helped this family out a lot -- they obviously have been there for them and it has to hurt very much to see the destruction of this family right before not only their eyes but billions of people too.

#55   2009/05/16 11:24AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
atwtfaithful
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Go Tammer!!!

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