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I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Started by val15 at 2009/05/08 07:43AMLatest post: 2009/05/11 09:42AM, Views: 2219, Replies: 145
#31
2009/05/13 05:09PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer |
Quote SassyFrass: First, I simply stated my opinion, which I am entitled too. As are you to your opinion. I was not being rude so please do not be rude to me. I think you are being naive with the world of entertainment.....That again, is my opinion! We are going to have to agree to disagree, because I will not change my side on this, and I don't think you are swayed as well. In my opnion, I think Kate is a biotch and deserves what she gets.....you can't have it all. Nowhere in my posts was I rude, I have not once ever stated that you weren't entitled to your opinions. I cannot say the same for you however. Calling me naive is a polite way of calling me stupid. I am neither. Why is my opinion naive? Because it's not the same as yours? I didn't realize I was talking to someone so "informed" about the entertainment world. I have only stated you don't know this woman at all, and how on earth would you know she was a b--ch? You don't. You suggest I don't know what I'm talking about, I have not implied(unlike others) that I would begin to ASS/U/ME what goes on in that household...neither should you. I have simply replied that kids are off limits with the names, and I think that if this site doesn't allow soap star or poster bashing this should not be acceptable either. Even more so..they are children. Unlike people that assume they know it all, I have no idea what these individuals are like at home...and would not begin to give my opinions about their lives. Even if she is a not so nice person all the time, you think she deserves the heartache that is being inflicted on her..or the name calling? I can see you are a kind, caring person with that comment.  Have a good night. |
#32
2009/05/13 05:59PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
thagifted1 |
People are sadly mistakin if they think that everyone treats their spouses the way Kate treats Jon. Its sad that people will admit to verbally abusing the ones they love. What she does is verbal abuse she talks down to him and makes fun of his ideas and choices. I think Kate is the biggest B**** on reality tv. If people can't recognize what she does is mean and wrong they are either totally blind or they identifiy with her method of madness. Her children act out because of what they witness the fighting and the bickering. Probably the cameras in their faces also has a big part. If Jon is cheating Kate got what she deserves you treat people how you want to be treated. She treats him like crap so its payback I don't agree with his method but that's his MO! |
#33
2009/05/13 06:24PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
princesschyr... |
Quote raving: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! its funny to me the leaps you are taking here......you think this show is fimed every day?....you think the cameras are there 24/7 365?...Anyone who has watched the show enough knows that Kate, jon and the producers say they are not editing this show...this is their reality....sure maybe they narrow it down to the more intresting stuff...because who really wants to watch her do 90 loads of wash every episode..or to watch maybe joel pick his nose or for jon to be mowing the lawn??? And Please I realize you think its clever to call Kate a name....but its really not fair....she is not a raving b8tch like you seem to think.....she is a harried and tender, annoyed and gentle, impatient and vulnerable human being.....probably just like you and me....for one mom to criticize another mom without knowing the full scoop is judgmental and harsh...IMO! ..... No its not harsh at all I am going off of what she does on her show. So if she doesn't want to be perseved as a B**** maybe she shouldn't act like one. Or maybe she should get rid of the cameras in her house . I know the cameras aren't there all the time but do u think its by chance that she is a rude B**** on film days? Or that her daughters only have meltdowns on film days I don't . It could be that she yells at her husband just for the cameras but that's even worse! And I don't think its clever to call anyone names I state what I think is the obvious truth MO! |
#34
2009/05/13 06:32PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer |
Quote thagifted1: People are sadly mistakin if they think that everyone treats their spouses the way Kate treats Jon. Its sad that people will admit to verbally abusing the ones they love. What she does is verbal abuse she talks down to him and makes fun of his ideas and choices. I think Kate is the biggest B**** on reality tv. If people can't recognize what she does is mean and wrong they are either totally blind or they identifiy with her method of madness. Her children act out because of what they witness the fighting and the bickering. Probably the cameras in their faces also has a big part. If Jon is cheating Kate got what she deserves you treat people how you want to be treated. She treats him like crap so its payback I don't agree with his method but that's his MO! No you are sadly mistaken if you think people don't treat their spouses like that. EVERYONE has and does. It's not madness, it's a fact of life. People get stressed...it's not pretty sometimes. You are preaching to a 27 yr veteran of marriage. You NEVER cheat, and there is NO excuse and NO paybacks..that is NOT what marriage is about. How do you know what he is like? Passing judgment by the tiny bit you see on tv is WRONG! I am not blind, YES I identify with them. I am not afraid or ashamed to admit the truth. Anyone that says different IMO is lying to themselves. Those kids act like KIDS, just like ANY of our kids. Please don't tell me any different...again I have been trained in this area, and worked it for 16 yrs. I know of what I speak. The cameras are normal for them(one day per week, not every minute of their lives),how on earth do you know if the kids witness fighting??? That's an assumption. EVERY child has witnessed bickering by their parents. EVERY child. Again, I don't know if Kate is or is not a b---ch..I don't live there. What makes all the people that call her, (and those beautiful children).. think they know enough to call them names..and to actually say a woman deserves what she is getting..SHOCKING..and heartless. |
#35
2009/05/13 06:42PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer |
Quote princesschyrstin: Quote raving: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! its funny to me the leaps you are taking here......you think this show is fimed every day?....you think the cameras are there 24/7 365?...Anyone who has watched the show enough knows that Kate, jon and the producers say they are not editing this show...this is their reality....sure maybe they narrow it down to the more intresting stuff...because who really wants to watch her do 90 loads of wash every episode..or to watch maybe joel pick his nose or for jon to be mowing the lawn??? And Please I realize you think its clever to call Kate a name....but its really not fair....she is not a raving b8tch like you seem to think.....she is a harried and tender, annoyed and gentle, impatient and vulnerable human being.....probably just like you and me....for one mom to criticize another mom without knowing the full scoop is judgmental and harsh...IMO! ..... No its not harsh at all I am going off of what she does on her show. So if she doesn't want to be perseved as a B**** maybe she shouldn't act like one. Or maybe she should get rid of the cameras in her house . I know the cameras aren't there all the time but do u think its by chance that she is a rude B**** on film days? Or that her daughters only have meltdowns on film days I don't . It could be that she yells at her husband just for the cameras but that's even worse! And I don't think its clever to call anyone names I state what I think is the obvious truth MO! Here's the problem with that. You don't know! You are assuming. ALL kids have meltdowns several time a day. Kate has 8 children, NO she isn't going to be in the best of mood all the time..of course she is going to be "real" and "raw" that's what I like about the show. That it's REAL...and Jon can be not so helpful most times! One time comes to mind..the time he made dinner. Kate cut up the green onions for him..he got so mad that she mixed the green part with the white part...he stood there and took his time separating them!!! That is outrageous! This is what it's like at all home on a daily basis...except it's intensified more for her/them. I'm not going to talk about this with you anymore, you obviously think it's ok to pass judgment/bash people you don't know. I guess it's ok that her brother and his wife are supposedly talking about their private lives too? Pretty disgusting if you ask me (if it's true). Are they thinking about their nieces and nephews? I think not. |
#36
2009/05/13 06:47PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
raving |
just out of curiosity.....of all the ones posting that she is terrible and deserves it....and thinks the kids are bratty....how many of you are married with children? |
#37
2009/05/13 06:49PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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princesschyr... |
Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it. EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage? Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that? I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children. I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show. How would you feel if people were calling your kids names? You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO! How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family. Glass houses people, glass houses. Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps?? Jon is never like that. Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!!  im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!!
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#38
2009/05/13 08:33PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer |
Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it. EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage? Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that? I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children. I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show. How would you feel if people were calling your kids names? You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO! How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family. Glass houses people, glass houses. Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps?? Jon is never like that. Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!! Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate. Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again. At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO. How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously. Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted. |
#39
2009/05/13 08:53PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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raving |
Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"... |
#40
2009/05/13 08:55PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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princesschyr... |
Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it. EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage? Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that? I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children. I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show. How would you feel if people were calling your kids names? You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO! How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family. Glass houses people, glass houses. Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps?? Jon is never like that. Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!! Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate. Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again. At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO. How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously. Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted. First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid! |
#41
2009/05/13 08:57PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer |
Quote raving: Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"... Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though  Thank you. That's exactly my point.
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#42
2009/05/13 09:11PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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princesschyr... |
Quote Tammer: Quote raving: Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"... Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though Thank you. That's exactly my point. O raving you have it very wrong first my daughters middle name is Chyrstin it has nothing to do with being christian its not even spelt remotely to same im not christian check the non believers thread and my daughter is my princess. I don't give a crap how people assume my name and how u interpret it is way out there let me say! I could also assume that your name is raving because you like the go to raves? I call her Katezilla because that's how she acts and its funny to me so twist my name anyway you want . |
#43
2009/05/13 09:24PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Tammer |
Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it. EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage? Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that? I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children. I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show. How would you feel if people were calling your kids names? You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO! How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family. Glass houses people, glass houses. Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps?? Jon is never like that. Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!! Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate. Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again. At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO. How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously. Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted. First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid! Obviously I do have to make it simple. You got EVERYTHING I posted WRONG! You don't know that he had an affair. The need to call children names and ridicule them is not attractive, and in your own words..if that's how you talk about a strangers children..need I say more? I'll just keep my opinion to myself. You post that crap you just spewed and tell me you feel sorry for me? Laughable! You expect me to believe you don't talk to your spouse like that and you talk to me like dirt on your shoe? I call BULL S--T!! YOU have no idea what goes on..that has ALWAYS been my point..I don't care if I get edited you are impossible. Stop calling me out, it's against guidelines and I will NOT tolerate it. You get all bent about Kate and you are dishing out the same crap you accuse her of? You have no idea what has happened in their house, stop acting like you know them. No wonder bad press spreads so quickly....birds of a feather... Seriously, you need to dial it down and not put so much effort into others lives, and stop assuming you are right and try to SHOVE it down others throats. This is exactly why there is so much bad press. People that think they're in the "know." All I have EVER said in this entire thread and I will maintain my words..You don't know, and kids are off limits. You may have an opinion, but name calling is unacceptable...and one can only speculate what is the real truth..unless I'm talking to Jon himself. P.S. Does it satisfy you to call children names? Sorry Eric, Anna and Jade. This is too much. email me if you need to. I'm outta here. |
#44
2009/05/14 12:22AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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princesschyr... |
Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: Quote Tammer: Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion: 1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too. 2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well. 3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon. 4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with? 5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other..... This is just my opinion. I disagree, not all reality tv is edited. They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say. If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone. As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways. Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself. Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children. I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized. I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not. Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye. Children are off limits! Every marriage is different.... In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon. Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled. ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!! I agree, how we act affects our children. I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them. I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children? I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about. I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house! They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more! AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it. EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage? Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that? I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children. I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show. How would you feel if people were calling your kids names? You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO! How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family. Glass houses people, glass houses. Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps?? Jon is never like that. Really? How do I know that Kate rants hmmmm? I don't know maybe because I have watched the show and seen it with my own too eyes!!! im sorry is calling a kid a brat politically incorrect okay well how about spoiled or acting out? Is that better ? Because it means the same thing I didn't say they are BAD kids. I don't give a D*** if people want to call my kid a brat if they have probable cause. If my kids are acting like brats I would be the first person to call them out on it. I disagree I think its both quality and quantity of time you spend with your kids. So its good to have a 2 minute conversation with your kid if its quality I don't buy that crap at all! You also don't live in their house or see what goes on but u sit there and swear that they don't edit anything out! Sounds like a contradiction to me and if you talk to your husband the way Katezilla talks to jon I feel sorry for your family!! Ok let me put this in a more simple term. I NEVER EVER once said I swore anything(read my posts will ya?) I said, I didn't know and neither do you. I said THEY say they don't edit..then we have to take their word for it...we don't know any different, and can only speculate. Kate has NEVER ranted on a show, got upset and raised her voice, yes. Has she been mean to a not so helpful Jon, YES! We have ALL done that. Don't say you haven't..that would be lying...and DON'T EVER insult me again. At least my head isn't buried in the sand, and I can admit I'm not perfect. I have 27 years of a solid marriage..can you say the same? I'm not the one on here acting all high and mighty..calling people names. I would never do that.Calling 5&8yrs old brats has nothing to do with "politically incorrect"..it's just WRONG and MEAN...not to mention rude and unnecessary. This is where your opinion doesn't count IMO. How can you tell that they are spoiled and then say they don't get enough attention? WOW! Maybe your idea of spoiled is different than mine...obviously. Again I will tell you that QUALITY is FAR more important than QUANTITY. Example, I spent 8-10 hours a day with daycare, and the parents MAYBE 2 hours at night. Are you saying that quality isn't more important that the quantity of their time together? That's absurd! Never mind I don't care to read your answer. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that is my point and always has been...which you completely choose to disregard. You have not read a darn thing I posted. First of all you don't have to put crap in simple terms for me I can read. What im reading is just plain stupid to me how you can justify verbally abusing your spouse from stress. I am not perfect and never said I was but I don't walk around my house launching insults when ever I can fit them in. Maybe if Katezilla changed her tone jon might listen to what she's saying not everone responds to yelling. IF U IDENTIFY WITH THIS RUDE WOMEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY! There is no need to make someone feel like crap even on a weekly basis and I will say it again the girls are BRATS!!! OMG yes I said it I don't care that's my opinion. I don't need to see what goes on behind closed doors I am willing to bet money its worse than what we see on tv! If it was better do you think Jon would be out cheating how about NO! Let it be Jon talking to Katezilla like that then it would just be all wrong and terrible. Just because he's a man that means he has no feelings that's BULL S***! She is partly responsible for driving her husband away. Frankly I wouldn't want a man to sit their and not stick up for themselves at least say something! It doesn't matter im not trying to prove a point anymore because birds of the same feather flock together!! So Kates a B**** and im done with this convo its stupid! Obviously I do have to make it simple. You got EVERYTHING I posted WRONG! You don't know that he had an affair. The need to call children names and ridicule them is not attractive, and in your own words..if that's how you talk about a strangers children..need I say more? I'll just keep my opinion to myself. You post that crap you just spewed and tell me you feel sorry for me? Laughable! You expect me to believe you don't talk to your spouse like that and you talk to me like dirt on your shoe? I call BULL S--T!! YOU have no idea what goes on..that has ALWAYS been my point..I don't care if I get edited you are impossible. Stop calling me out, it's against guidelines and I will NOT tolerate it. You get all bent about Kate and you are dishing out the same crap you accuse her of? You have no idea what has happened in their house, stop acting like you know them. No wonder bad press spreads so quickly....birds of a feather... Seriously, you need to dial it down and not put so much effort into others lives, and stop assuming you are right and try to SHOVE it down others throats. This is exactly why there is so much bad press. People that think they're in the "know." All I have EVER said in this entire thread and I will maintain my words..You don't know, and kids are off limits. You may have an opinion, but name calling is unacceptable...and one can only speculate what is the real truth..unless I'm talking to Jon himself. P.S. Does it satisfy you to call children names? Sorry Eric, Anna and Jade. This is too much. email me if you need to. I'm outta here. A: I don't know you and I could care less about your feelings I don't treat the people I love like crap unlike Katezilla. B: I gave birth to my children and I will say whatever I want to them since the word "brat" is sooooo offensive to you. I don't know where you live but I have heard worse things then calling someones kid a brat. C: You began with the shoving of opinions down throats so if you can't take your own heat get out the kitchen. D: Bye Bye it was fun
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2009/05/14 04:53AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
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Quote princesschyrstin: Quote Tammer: Quote raving: Princess....its not just calling the kids brats,.....but I am taking offense to you continually referring to kate as "Katezilla"... Furthermore...maybe you are an expert on brats and spoiled behavior,....I can only assume from your posting name....PrincessChrystian, that you also see yourself in the same way....because to me (imo) to call someone who is not a true princess a princess.....is to call them spoiled and bratty,......but then you add the chrystian to it...which I also assumes means that you are referring to you religious preferences, that you are essentially calling yourself a spoiled bratty christian?...again this is just my opinion of what your name means.....you could have totally a different intent with it.....but see how that works.....people make their own assumptions on things....but it would be quite rude to talk about it and put it out there for everyone that does not know you to possibly come to the same assumption....right?....JMO of course though Thank you. That's exactly my point. O raving you have it very wrong first my daughters middle name is Chyrstin it has nothing to do with being christian its not even spelt remotely to same im not christian check the non believers thread and my daughter is my princess. I don't give a crap how people assume my name and how u interpret it is way out there let me say! I could also assume that your name is raving because you like the go to raves? I call her Katezilla because that's how she acts and its funny to me so twist my name anyway you want . I've seen a bunch of your posts and yes you are definitley not a christian! Just a quick question if Cameras were rolling in your house. observing your family , what would they call you? Honestly, (not that I'd let camera's role in my house but), I wouldn't want to know my name? It would probably be something close to Mommy who yells alot?Oh and I call my little girl my princess too, Problem is she thinks it's true! She's getting better though! I do agree that @ times Cara's behavior is sadly lacking but hello she has 7 siblings and is trying to get attn any way she can! It's normal! In the long run I think she'll be fine! ( oh and one more thing I'm so exited today Abbey Learned to ride her bike last night without training wheels all by herself!! I am a very proud mom!!
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