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I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate

Started by val15 at 2009/05/08 07:43AM
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#21   2009/05/13 10:31AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
SassyFrass
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This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.

#22   2009/05/13 10:59AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer
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Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!

#23   2009/05/13 10:59AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
val15
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Looking back now, knowing that they are having problems, it brings to mind some of the red flags that I've seen along the way. Like in her first book, when she wrote that (not quoting) after the twins she was compelled to have another baby, even though Jon wasn't, and in the one episode when she talks about the first pregnancy and how she now wonders what their rush was -- it makes me think that there are probably a lot of unresolved issues there for both of them that some serious marriage counselling could uncover and help them deal with. It just sounds as though so much has happened that they need to really step back and re-examine their priorities. I would hope in doing so they would realize their first priority should be the mental and physical health of their children. They now have the capacity to provide for their every material need, I just hope they can provide for their every emotional need also.

#24   2009/05/13 11:13AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
SassyFrass
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Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!

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#25   2009/05/13 11:16AM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Purelove
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I have beening praying for them and hope that everyone else will too

#26   2009/05/13 12:01PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer
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Quote SassyFrass:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO

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#27   2009/05/13 12:08PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
chychy65
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wow,,, i have never watched , but now my curiosity has been peaked.... what time does it come on and what day, and channel...

see if i can squeeze it into my vast tv watching

#28   2009/05/13 12:31PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
raving
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Here's my Opinion......

I think they get along better and are better at resolving issues than most other everyday families...and here's why:
I would not in one million years.....regardless of how badly I might need the money, allow cameras in my home to watch me cook, clean, bathe, love, argue, discipline, go on outings, parent, or be a wife. The reality for most of us (imo) is that its very difficult to agree with your spouse of children 100% of the time...heck....even 50% is a stretch!.....I myself, sent my nearly 11 year old off to school today crying....crying because she thought there MIGHT be a spider on her scooter.....and I couldn't see one....my point is....that in everyday life there are some super silly (in hindsight) arguments.....and times when you have just had enough.....would I want that moment or exchange between my daughter and I caught on film...for public consumption? No....why? because all families bicker...no one sees eye to eye all the time...and sometimes we are just impatient and dont have a good excuse for it..
On the subject of calling their kids spoiled or bratty or what have you.....you have got to be joking, or are so far removed from having children that age that you dont remember. Jon and Kate like most parents are in a constant state of "NO!" as with all parenting ...you have to pick your battles...and what annoys you behaviorally and what annoys someone else behaviorally are two totally different things....there will always be someone out there that says...I would never allow my children to act that way.....well the first thing I learned about parenting is....you have less control over personalities than you'd like to believe. The children of Jon and kate do have manners......but for goodness sake ...they are children and as such are bound to have a tantrum here and their...bound to cop and attitude every now and again... and are definitely going test their parents as they search for their autonomy in this world....sheesh any parenting book you pick up is going to confirm that much...so no...they should not be judged unless they become thieves or arsonists or something...at the moment ...they are just being children...imo!

#29   2009/05/13 12:44PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
princesschyr...
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Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


ITA!! This is a common misconception of being a good parent putting you kids over everything. Im sorry but an unhappy mother makes for unhappy children. Me personally I take good of my kids but my marriage is up their in the ranks to. If you let you marriage fall apart you will end up hurting your kids worse in the end versus taking time for yourself and your marriage in the beginning! Do u think your kids will grown up and say "I was neglected because my mom and dad spent time together without us" Nope they will probably want to know how you did it. Like you said those kids will grow up and jon and katezilla will have nothing left but each other and it probably won't work out. Like I said before guys do some stupid crap but nobody deserves what jon gets on a daily basis. He didn't sign up for the military!

#30   2009/05/13 12:58PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
princesschyr...
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Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!

#31   2009/05/13 01:28PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
raving
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Quote princesschyrstin:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!


its funny to me the leaps you are taking here......you think this show is fimed every day?....you think the cameras are there 24/7 365?...Anyone who has watched the show enough knows that Kate, jon and the producers say they are not editing this show...this is their reality....sure maybe they narrow it down to the more intresting stuff...because who really wants to watch her do 90 loads of wash every episode..or to watch maybe joel pick his nose
or for jon to be mowing the lawn??? And Please I realize you think its clever to call Kate a name....but its really not fair....she is not a raving b8tch like you seem to think.....she is a harried and tender, annoyed and gentle, impatient and vulnerable human being.....probably just like you and me....for one mom to criticize another mom without knowing the full scoop is judgmental and harsh...IMO!

.....

#32   2009/05/13 01:30PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer
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Quote princesschyrstin:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass:
Quote Tammer:
Quote SassyFrass: This is just my humble opinion:

1. Kate and Jon both signed up for this. They are getting paid for this. They have to take the harsh critizism and scrutiny that goes with the territory too.
2. They put their 8 children out there in the spotlight as well, and yes, they are children, but that is the parental decision so again, they have to accept the scrutiny of their children as well.
3. All reality TV is edited. Yes not everything is shown and we may never know the "true" Kate or Jon.
4. As long as we are not sleeping with either one of them, who cares who else they are hopping in the sack with?
5. Kate is demeaning to Jon. It bothers me to no end when she berates him. He acts like a child because he is treated as such. I have been married 9 years and if the parents are equal partners and put each other first, the natural line of succession comes into play. She revolves her life around those kids and Jon has to play second fiddle. If she focused positively at him, this whole thing would not be an issue. When those kids are 18/19 and leave the nest, that marriage will have nothing else to focus on because they will end up hating each other.....

This is just my opinion.


I disagree, not all reality tv is edited.
They have made a point to be honest that what you see is what you get. Kate said that she does have final word on something..if it is something about her children. We can only go by what TLC and Jon & Kate say.
If the show were edited, I'm sure many of those not so attractive scenes would be gone.
As for Kate being demeaning, and Jon being treated as a child...well if he didn't act like one she may not treat him as such. It goes both ways.
Kate is the primary caregiver to their 8 children, Jon should shut up and put up. I had 2 and I didn't have time to coddle my husband. They/he is a grown man for crying out loud, do for yourself.
Of course her main focus is on their 8 children..how on earth could it not be? That's exactly were it should be! What about Jon? I'm sure his wife isn't his primary concern over his children.
I have been married 26 years, and IMO the children come first, not a self sufficient spouse! I really don't know of any marriage that the spouse comes first...that is just wrong. I happen to agree with raving on this one!! My husband drives me crazy just sitting there sometimes, and when he picks at his finger nails and they click..I could punch him in the head! I am far worse than Kate is, and with more colourful vocabulary.. and much less organized.
I don't believe for one sec that everyone, and I mean everyone treats their spouse the exact same way! It's impossible to be married and not.
Yes they put themselves out there, and yes they have to endure scrutiny...however, NO ONE deserves for their child to be insulted EVER! I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that they should expect that just because they are in the public eye.
Children are off limits!


Every marriage is different....

In my experience I have found that if me and my husband are getting along and on our "a" game, we do things better and more effictively with the children. If we are constantly bickering or holding in fustrations, it worse to carry that burden. That is what I was trying to say with that statement. The fact is my husband is a grown man and self-sufficient, but we are partners for a reason! My children are well taken care of and given equal support and affection from both parents, and I feel that it is because we are both put our marriage first. We are a family unit. I think that Kate sees it as her family unit plus Jon.

Kids are off limits when the parents haven't thrown them out into the media.....to me it is fair game. Would I call them brats, probably not, but I would say they are out of control and spoiled.

ETA: All shows are edited to some degree, but they use what you give them.....I am sure Kate does have some control and I am sure she can be far worse!!!!


I agree, how we act affects our children.
I'm not a producer, all we can go by is what they say. It is NOT edited. Not just Kate says that, Jon and the show say that as well. I believe them.
I don't care who puts those kids in the public eye, they are off limits. Children should not be subjected to that kind of rudeness. How can one say on one hand that Jon & Kate are wrong to put their kids out there and then that same person insult helpless innocent children?
I think those kids are more polite than any child I have ever taken care of..and I worked daycare for 16 years..I know what I'm talking about.
I don't think they are out of control at all, they have manners, and they act like typical 5 year olds...8 of them in the same house!
They are far from spoiled, they are normal. JMO


Do u work on the show? How can u know so well that the show isn't edited I believe they edit out some of Katezilla's extreme B**** rants. Which is sad that she allows herself to treat the man she loves like dirt she don't even talk to them dogs like that. I have come across a lot of 8 yr olds in my time and non of them have constant meltdowns everyday. They act like brats because they aren't getting the attention or time they need. Or it could be the cameras following them around as soon as my kid started acting like that the show would have been a wrap! Look at the mom on that table of 12 she doesn't walk around telling her husband how stupid he is and she has more kids and one with disabilities! Katezilla needs to readjust her priorities or her marriage will collapse thus devestating her children even more!


AGAIN, if you actually read my posts..I said THE SHOW AND JON& KATE SAID THEY DON'T EDIT!!!! That is all we have to go by. How do you know Kate rants? Were you there? She doesn't speak to him any different than any of us. If anyone says different....you know what I think I don't have to type it.
EVERY couple treats their spouse exactly like that. If they were "edited" don't you think she or even Jon would have that taken out...to avoid people that have no idea what they are talking about to make rash, harsh comments about their marriage?

Every house is different, you cannot compare one with the other.
KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS, you should be ashamed of yourself, how can one be a good parent and insult innocent children like that?
I am telling you, I worked in daycare for 16 years, I probably have more experience with kids than most..they are NOT brats, they are normal healthy children.
I don't give a rats ass what happens to Jon & Kate, their kids don't deserve your insults..THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE, not some tv show.
How would you feel if people were calling your kids names?
You don't know what goes on in that house..do you live there? NO!
How do you know how much attention they get? If you knew anything about taking care of that many children.. at the same time you would have made an educated assumption that it's not the QUANTITY its the QUALITY of time you spend with your family.

Glass houses people, glass houses.

Edited to add, have you seen the help that father on table of 12 helps??
Jon is never like that.

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#33   2009/05/13 01:43PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
SassyFrass
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Again, I am simply stating my opinion, so please do not take offense....

You do not live in that house either, so you don't know any more or any less than myslef. This is all assumptions and opinions.

They are edited..They have to be. Otherwise it will be a continuous 1 camera shot and it isn't. IT IS EDITED. They cannot completely cut out Kate's rants for three reasons:
1. Ratings
2. Renewal for new seasons
3. Keeping the $$$$ flowing!!

Yes, kids are not perfect and neither are mine, but they are starving for attention in the chaotic house. I would not want someone judging my children but I also fo not put my children on a cable show and magazine covers all over the US. Yes, it is unfair to them and their parents made that choice and thier parents are the ones who have to answer for that!!!

#34   2009/05/13 01:55PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
Tammer
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Quote SassyFrass: Again, I am simply stating my opinion, so please do not take offense....

You do not live in that house either, so you don't know any more or any less than myslef. This is all assumptions and opinions.

They are edited..They have to be. Otherwise it will be a continuous 1 camera shot and it isn't. IT IS EDITED. They cannot completely cut out Kate's rants for three reasons:
1. Ratings
2. Renewal for new seasons
3. Keeping the $$$$ flowing!!

Yes, kids are not perfect and neither are mine, but they are starving for attention in the chaotic house. I would not want someone judging my children but I also fo not put my children on a cable show and magazine covers all over the US. Yes, it is unfair to them and their parents made that choice and thier parents are the ones who have to answer for that!!!


Firstly I made it clear I don't know what goes on in that house. You are the one presuming to know the goings on. You are assuming that Kate rants..how would you know this? It is not apparent that they are starving for ANY attention or affection..I am trained to spot that kind of behaviour.
The shows states its not EDITED, why is that so hard to believe? Like raving says, we don't mean the editing of 9 loads of laundry, we mean the actual day to day behaviour.
I can see that Jon & Kate give each and EVERY one of her children loads of attention and affection...if that weren't so, how would they know each of them individually as they do? It's ridiculous to assume otherwise...you don't live there, and the cameras are ONLY there like one day a week. Hardly a taxing experience for them.
Maybe you wouldn't do that, but you aren't them. They saw a way to give their kids things they couldn't provide easily. Now all of them can go to college. I'm sure as good parents, they make sure their lives are as normal as possible..and frankly they don't know any better. They think the crew is family.
As for their family...that's a laugh. When they were part of the show it was ok, now that they aren't they are critics?

#35   2009/05/13 02:59PM
Re: I feel compelled to pray for Jon and Kate
SassyFrass
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First, I simply stated my opinion, which I am entitled too. As are you to your opinion. I was not being rude so please do not be rude to me. I think you are being naive with the world of entertainment.....That again, is my opinion!

We are going to have to agree to disagree, because I will not change my side on this, and I don't think you are swayed as well. In my opnion, I think Kate is a biotch and deserves what she gets.....you can't have it all.

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