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Miss California
Started by rei1 at 2009/05/05 06:55PMLatest post: 2009/05/18 01:03PM, Views: 1153, Replies: 96
#31
2009/05/12 07:39AM
Re: Miss California
bigtimesoapfan |
Quote rei1: Quote cardgirl: Quote Plot-Twister: Quote cardgirl: Quote Plot-Twister: Actually, all of the contestants for the past two pagents have been asked different questions than the typical "no more world hunger" type of thing. I don't think it was out of line at all considering the other types of questions that were asked....like the AIG bail out and the auto industry. The pagent is trying to remake itself into a more modern woman type of thing. Gone is the ton of hairspray and such...they want real women looking real. Now, with all that said.....Yes, she was honest. And honestly when someone says, "I don't mean to offend" Well, they know they are about to offend. Miss America is supposed to represent America. She is supposed to be full of grace and concientous of all of it's citizens. There were other ways in which she could have handled that question and still held grace and dignity. She simply could have said that Miss America is not a position which makes laws, therefore, her personal beliefs were irrelevant. It isn't like she was going to make that her platform. And if she was, she would have been canned. Pagent winners are not allowed to take on controversial subjects like that. In fact, since she has become a public face of "protecting marriage" she should rescind her runner up position. Pagents are not political. If that is what she wants, then give back the runner up and do it. Bad enough she has taken all the thunder from the actual winner. I like the winner, not the whiner. Well actually it was the press and their ability to make sound bites that made her sound like a whinner. And it was a gay person who asked her the question. Pehaps he thought he was going to get another answer because he is openly gay. It took a lot of guts to answer that question hosnestly and she is entitled to her opinion regardless of whether it may offend somebody.. these days hardly anybody can say anything that does not in some way offend somebody else. I thind people are allowe to choose how they want to live their lives, and people have the right not to agree with how they choose to do that. She has a right to express her opinion. Why should she lie just get the crown. And if that was the reason she did loose the contest, well, freedom of speech is one of our primary rights in this country, and she should not have been dragged though the mud because she expressed herself honestly. I also think it was a double standard.... it was not alright for her to say that she thinks marriage should be between a man and a women... but it was alright for the guy who asked her the question to call her a stupid b.....because he did not like her answer. If nothing else he should have taken the high road, and responded in a more respectful way. She was not disrespecting him... she was simply answering a loaded question. Perez Hilton didn't call her a stupid(w)itch until after she took on the role of advocating against same sex marriages. After the pictures came out of her nude and partially nude. It was not the initial answer which made him call her that. Just as everyone is saying that she had the right to answer the question as she did (I am not denying that right) he has the right to respond. Just please note that he did not call her that because of the answer, it was the behavior after. Second, If a woman really wants the crown (and going through YEARS of prep, they want to win it, why throw it away with an answer that is not well thought out? Like I said before, there are tons of ways to answer that are not timebombs. Why should she answer politically sensitively? Well, she represents ALL of the US, not just people who agree with her. The jusdges represent a cross section of the American population. There are tons of gay men on the pagent circut as coaches, hair and makeup, etc...I wonder if they knew that she viewed them as beneath her when they were helping her win? Well, actually I just went back and look at my DVR and when the story broke on Inside Edition and Hollywood Insider, and one other show, he did make that response, of calling her a stupid b.... after she answers the question about same sex marriage... he had a different response still inappropriate...to her nude pics.. I will say that those pics if they did happen the way the press reports it...that was really some very poor judgement on her part... and does make her response... which was a morality one...kind of hypocritical... I guess she may not have as strong of a feeling about public nudity as she does same sex marriage. Funny how people pick and choose what they think is right and what they think is wrong. Also I don't think just because she does not agree with same sex marriage.. that means she thinks gay people are beneath her... This is just one of those issues where people have to agree to disagree.. I personally don't care how other people choose to lives their lives or what their sexuall orientation is. I just don't think that people who are gay should take such offense and be outraged when people say they don't agree with how they live their lives or that same sex marriage should not be recognized. There is always going to be somebody who is not going to think what they do is right...just as they have the right to live how they choose.... people have the right to not agree with it. And just as they have the right to express how they feel when people say negative things about them.. other people have the same right to express their view. What is wrong about expressing your view is when you are crual about it or unkind or out and out ignorant... Ms California was neither rude or unkind about her answer.. What Perez Hilton said about her when ever he said it was rude and cruel... He should not have stooped her level if he thought she was wrong. To call her a stupid b.... was just wrong and unkind. She did not name call it's not like she calle him or any other gay person an undesirable derrogatory name. She made a statement about a certain aspect of that part of the population... and she said in a respectful way... and he took it personally... which I just think he should not have done. And his remark about her was personal and directed toward her. Apparently it's this way....get into the 21st century and get over your own moral upbringing or be chastised and bereated for your beliefs. That is the "New America" But if you are gay or bisexual or gender challenged you are automatically in the "click" and anything you do or say is alright because you are gay, bisexual or gender challenged!! And then just watch the Freedom of Speech librals go NUTS when when a concervative has a different opinion!! LOL Freedom of Speech is only applied to librals.. God forbid (oops I mentioned GOD...Duck everyone) you express your moral/faithful opinion..you are so OUT of the "click" 
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#32
2009/05/12 09:07AM
Re: Miss California
alwaysEJ |
Trump weighs in... |
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2009/05/12 09:24AM
#33
2009/05/12 10:31AM
Re: Miss California
raving |
did you all also hear that the pageant paid for her ....a-hem...augmentation? I find that really odd!...Cant a flat chested woman win? |
#34
2009/05/12 11:25AM
Re: Miss California
cats meow |
i am curious, if she would have answered pro gay marriage and those pics showed up, how people would have perceived her? guess we will never know |
#35
2009/05/12 11:31AM
Re: Miss California
Eppy |
I am so bored with the subject of Miss California and her comments and pictures and all the fall out. It's only become a big deal thing because it's a beauty pageant and Donald Trump's name is attached. I could care less what a contestant's opinion is - in fact I could care less about beauty pageants in general. It's BEAUTY CONTEST - not a Menza gathering or a political summit. |
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2009/05/12 11:40AM
#36
2009/05/12 11:54AM
Re: Miss California
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cats meow |
Quote Eppy: I am so bored with the subject of Miss California and her comments and pictures and all the fall out. It's only become a big deal thing because it's a beauty pageant and Donald Trump's name is attached. I could care less what a contestant's opinion is - in fact I could care less about beauty pageants in general. It's BEAUTY CONTEST - not a Menza gathering or a political summit. know what, you are right, just keeps his name in the public eye |
#37
2009/05/12 02:53PM
Re: Miss California
Phuquaad |
Quote bigtimesoapfan: God freed the "slaves". Remeber Moses? God never said it was okay to own another human being! People did! We have the 10 commandments to live by and no where in there does he say to own another! Like I said earlier I respect your opinion I just don't agree! I'm not going to argue my religion and my beliefs, there is no need! So once again I respectfully agree to dissagree! One last thing I am proud of my faith and am glad to be cCatholic as are my children! I know that God is always by my side! He is the only one I truly have to answer too! Maybe YOU SHOULD READ the bible before you post: www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves. Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock. However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these? The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave? When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them! What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing. When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong. The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT) |
#38
2009/05/12 03:23PM
Re: Miss California
Plot-Twister |
What bible verse quoting is cause for hitting bad post? WTF Lots of people gonna be gettin the button |
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#39
2009/05/12 03:32PM
Re: Miss California
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Phuquaad |
LMAO that someone would hit the bad post button! Guess the truth hurts! |
#40
2009/05/12 03:42PM
Re: Miss California
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Plot-Twister |
Quote Phuquaad: LMAO that someone would hit the bad post button! Guess the truth hurts!  Really God is a liar now. OH, are you just supposed to ignore the stuff you don't like? Like Miss America....In the bible where it says to be truthful, she disregards that and lies on the app for the contest....then the competeing scriptures on homosexuality....hmmmm, keep some, throw some out.....HYPOCRITE! |
#41
2009/05/12 04:03PM
Re: Miss California
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Eppy |
Was this the Miss America Pageant? Or Miss World or Miss Universe? I don't even know. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject. If she ruffled some feathers by stating her opinion, so what? If she had answered the opposite, she would have ruffled other feathers. Like I said, this isn't a political rally or Menza gathering. She obviously didn't get this far on her astute philosophical prowess. She got there by her measurements and good looks. |
#42
2009/05/12 04:17PM
Re: Miss California
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Plot-Twister |
Quote Eppy: Was this the Miss America Pageant? Or Miss World or Miss Universe? I don't even know. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject. If she ruffled some feathers by stating her opinion, so what? If she had answered the opposite, she would have ruffled other feathers. Like I said, this isn't a political rally or Menza gathering. She obviously didn't get this far on her astute philosophical prowess. She got there by her measurements and good looks. Eppy at this point it isn't even about how she answered the question. She could answer it anyway she wanted. I find it a bit appalling, but whatever. That is my opinion. What I take issue with is that she still gets to keep her crown after lying about those pics and them being out there. And Vanessa Williams did the same thing and she lost the crown. To me that is racism. Plain and Simple. |
#43
2009/05/12 05:03PM
Re: Miss California
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Eppy |
Quote Plot-Twister: Wasn't Miss Williams already crowned Miss America and assumed the title when her pictures were discovered. I would think Miss America carried more importance that one beauty contestant from Calif. But, what do I know? Yes, I agree, lying on an application (or wherever it was she lied) Quote Eppy: Was this the Miss America Pageant? Or Miss World or Miss Universe? I don't even know. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject. If she ruffled some feathers by stating her opinion, so what? If she had answered the opposite, she would have ruffled other feathers. Like I said, this isn't a political rally or Menza gathering. She obviously didn't get this far on her astute philosophical prowess. She got there by her measurements and good looks. Eppy at this point it isn't even about how she answered the question. She could answer it anyway she wanted. I find it a bit appalling, but whatever. That is my opinion. What I take issue with is that she still gets to keep her crown after lying about those pics and them being out there. And Vanessa Williams did the same thing and she lost the crown. To me that is racism. Plain and Simple. she should have been disqualified. No doubt, Donald Trump is just loving this exposure and controvercy. |
#44
2009/05/12 06:18PM
Re: Miss California
wannazach |
Quote Eppy: Quote Plot-Twister: Wasn't Miss Williams already crowned Miss America and assumed the title when her pictures were discovered. I would think Miss America carried more importance that one beauty contestant from Calif. But, what do I know? Yes, I agree, lying on an application (or wherever it was she lied) Quote Eppy: Was this the Miss America Pageant? Or Miss World or Miss Universe? I don't even know. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject. If she ruffled some feathers by stating her opinion, so what? If she had answered the opposite, she would have ruffled other feathers. Like I said, this isn't a political rally or Menza gathering. She obviously didn't get this far on her astute philosophical prowess. She got there by her measurements and good looks. Eppy at this point it isn't even about how she answered the question. She could answer it anyway she wanted. I find it a bit appalling, but whatever. That is my opinion. What I take issue with is that she still gets to keep her crown after lying about those pics and them being out there. And Vanessa Williams did the same thing and she lost the crown. To me that is racism. Plain and Simple. she should have been disqualified. No doubt, Donald Trump is just loving this exposure and controvercy. You hit the nail on the head Eppy. The pagent has lost all the interest of the majority of viewers. The ratings were so bad that no network would pick it up and it was going to be canceled. Trump actually had to pay this channel to even get the thing on tv. The pagent is so rigged that it is not even funny. In fact little Miss CA admitted that all of the possible questions that will be asked are given to them in advance to study. They all know what the questions will be just not which one they will draw. This answer did not just pop off the top of her head. She had plenty of time to make a choice of what she said. Also why are they saying that her answer lost the pagent for her? How could they possibly know that? It that saying that the one who was crowned ain't shi#? What an arrogance this chick she has to think no one else could possibly have won other than her. Also, I think the pagent folks should make her repay them for the boob job they paid for. She wanted it and they paid for it. Now why tell me would the pagent spent the money 3 weeks before the pagent for a set of boobs for someone "UNLESS" they were the "chosen one" already picked. Soap operas are more believable than this crap. She will be in playboy in a few months anyway making a ton of money off of those boobs so I say she made out pretty well. I hope that as she matures she learns that all people are created equal and it is a wonderful thing to except people for who they are instead of judging.
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#45
2009/05/12 06:40PM
Re: Miss California
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raving |
Quote Eppy: Quote Plot-Twister: Wasn't Miss Williams already crowned Miss America and assumed the title when her pictures were discovered. I would think Miss America carried more importance that one beauty contestant from Calif. But, what do I know? Yes, I agree, lying on an application (or wherever it was she lied) Quote Eppy: Was this the Miss America Pageant? Or Miss World or Miss Universe? I don't even know. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject. If she ruffled some feathers by stating her opinion, so what? If she had answered the opposite, she would have ruffled other feathers. Like I said, this isn't a political rally or Menza gathering. She obviously didn't get this far on her astute philosophical prowess. She got there by her measurements and good looks. Eppy at this point it isn't even about how she answered the question. She could answer it anyway she wanted. I find it a bit appalling, but whatever. That is my opinion. What I take issue with is that she still gets to keep her crown after lying about those pics and them being out there. And Vanessa Williams did the same thing and she lost the crown. To me that is racism. Plain and Simple. she should have been disqualified. No doubt, Donald Trump is just loving this exposure and controvercy. I am pretty sure miss cali, is first runner up...and though its a long shot....if the winner cannot perform her duties it would go to miss ca,,,,,,i think that is plots point....though to be honest I am not sure |
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