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Holier Than Thou Alison!

Started by pinknikki143 at 2008/07/15 11:12AM
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#11   2008/07/16 08:26AM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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I have to say I am more with Cosmic Empress on this issue of sexual harrassment. I would have loved to see this storyline played out more for the drama of it all, but also for the educational possibilities.

As for Allison falling back in Chris' arms yesterday, I think after the scare she walked in on, she would have fallen into Satan's arms without thinking. Decker tried to kill her!

I do agree that Allie doesn't always think her actions through or acknowledge responsibility for everything (like blaming Chris for getting kicked out of nursing school - that was really on her and wasn't really the core of the lawsuit) but it doesn't dismiss that fact that sexual harrasment happens, and the character of the person that it happens to is irrelevant.

#12   2008/07/16 04:42PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote Cosmic Empress: I MUST take issue with the assessment of Allison's harssment suit. Harassment is harassment. A woman or man who is punished economically, professionally or socially for NOT sleeping with someone, and I don't care if it is post foreplay or pre-coital, is illegal and should not be allowed to happen. Anyone who believes Allison should have been kicked out of school, thrown off of patient care or even jeered at by other professionals for her behavior with Chris needs to look at what they are promoting. It is illegal, immoral and unethical to punish anyone professionally for their private and personal behavior.
We might as well go back to the Salem witch trials and the pillory or why not just brand an "A" on her forehead? Did the fact that she did not sleep with Chris make her less capable of treating patients? Was her act of semi-seduction effecting her ability to do her job? No. The rumors, innuendo and tension created by Chris actually was detrimental to patient care and his focus on his own ego had a delitorious effect on the hospital, its staff and the care of its patients.
The suit was justified, she should have won and Bob Hughes, the almighty protector of the family name, could have easily been shot down in flames for suggesting a negotiation with Allie to get her to drop charges. Kim could have and should have been named as well for promoting the rumor mill through town and most good lawyers would have gotten any attempt to bring up Allison's past history thrown out since it is NOT germaine to the question at hand, The porno film was never introduced into the situation, was not at issue and was never known until Chris brought it up. In fact, it could have been used against Chris in court since he could have been seen as using a past film as a form of blackmail to get Allie to go to bed with him. Chris was guilty of sexual manipulation and abuse. His tirade at her for being "crazy" when she couldn't go through with the act is evidence of his inability to deal with the word "no". His ego and testosterone ladden self-image were threatened and he had to punish Allie. Case closed.
I have spent my adult lifetime attempting to get people to stand up to this kind of crap . Women throughout the world have had everything from harsh physical attacks to psychological manipulation used against them to keep them under the thumb of immature and irrational men who are threatened by their confidence and ability.
Until all women understand the manipulations keeping them from achieving their goals and stop promoting those manipulations, we will continue to be oppressed. As sisters, we must stand up to it even when portrayed in soap operas, books and any media representation. The fact that ATWT did a story is good; The outcome, I question. The better outcome would have been a true jury trial and a stronger focus on the issue but then again....the writers themselves don't understand their own prejudice on the issue. They are a product of a paternally dominated society that until the 60's thought all women should be Donna Reed


Your points about what sexual harassment is are certainly true. But we completely disagree that what Chris did was sexual harassment. Calling off giving preferred treatment is not the same as making sure she got kicked out of the program.

Now, if you want to talk about what Chris did by cornering Allison being an issue, that is certainly true. But that did not give rise to the lawsuit. The lawsuit was already underway.

Chris is guilty of committing perjury, and he was certainly guilty of locking them in the medical supply room so he could speak to her (that's some sort of harassment for sure). But it is also quite clear that what gave rise to the lawsuit was not sexual harassment. Chris may have been an ass, but he was not guilty on that count.

#13   2008/07/16 04:52PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
hurrikun
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Quote Plot-Twister: I have to say I am more with Cosmic Empress on this issue of sexual harrassment. I would have loved to see this storyline played out more for the drama of it all, but also for the educational possibilities.

As for Allison falling back in Chris' arms yesterday, I think after the scare she walked in on, she would have fallen into Satan's arms without thinking. Decker tried to kill her!

I do agree that Allie doesn't always think her actions through or acknowledge responsibility for everything (like blaming Chris for getting kicked out of nursing school - that was really on her and wasn't really the core of the lawsuit) but it doesn't dismiss that fact that sexual harrasment happens, and the character of the person that it happens to is irrelevant.


I thought it was the core of the lawsuit. I mean, that was the issue all along (or so I thought and that was the discussion at the trial). Chris certainly committed perjury by lying about what he said to Brenda. But as I just wrote, I hardly consider "ending preferential treatment" by telling Brenda, "no more favors, do what you want", is sexual harassment. His sexual problems were his motive for his actions, to be sure, but since all this did was level the playing field whereby Brenda could treat Allison how she thought she should have been treated all along, it's not harassment.

As far as Doc Decker, let's not forget that Chris was instrumental in helping try to protect Allison and Susan from him back during his reign of terror. Rick had also tried to kill Bob and almost succeeded. Recall how many weeks Bob was laid up in the hospital and unable to speak. So, Chris and Allison both have a big history with him and a lot to fear.

#14   2008/07/16 08:11PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote pinknikki143: Let me first say that I am a raging feminist, so I in NO WAY condone sexual harassment or any kind of discrimination against women. My problem with Alison is that from the start, she gave Chris mixed signals and a bad attitude. On two occasions, she got partially naked with him, then pushed him away. It's not the fact that she didn't want to be intimate - that's her choice. But it is not okay to monkey around with someone's emotions. To say that you want to pursue a relationship, then constantly recant, is not right. She does the same thing with Aaron. He's so sweet and willing to help a damsel in distress. So she flirts with Chris, then runs to Aaron, making no serious commitment to either of them. Chris was wrong for lying in court, but he apologized sincerely, told her to continue nursing school, and even resigned. Allie refuses to relent, acting like an ice princess. As if she's never made a mistake. She's partly the reason why Dusty and Emily broke up, but someone forgave her. She has a terrible reputation, but someone forgave her. Maybe she should get off her high horse and at least make a step toward accepting Chris' apology. IMO, she always acted frosty with both Chris and Aaron, many times when it was uncalled for. Allie, Emily, and Susan are all a train wreck.


Ali def. has sexual problems and should get help, no doubt about it but Chris didn't have to handle it the way he did either. I think Chris is a train wreck and has been most of his time on the show. Oh and ITA about Emily being a train wreck, the biggest one of all!!

#15   2008/07/16 08:14PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote Kristi: What bugs me most about Alison (at least lately) is her flip-floppiness. She wants Chris/She doesn't (and that isn't an excuse for him to kill her reputation at work) ... she leans on Aaron/She tells Aaron to back off ... She wants her mom to stand up for her/She wants her mom to ignore Chris cornering her at the hospital today. She is just toooooo all over the place. Needs to pick a side and stick with it.


Those things have been bugging me lately too. And yes, she needs to pick a side and stick w/it. No more of this wishy washy stuff.

#16   2008/07/16 08:18PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Cosmic Empress that was an AWESOME post, well said and ITA w/every word!!

#17   2008/07/16 08:22PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Alison shouldn't have thrown herself into Chris' arms but they were extenuating cirmcustances. She was terrified seeing Rick again and w/a needle no less. The minute Chris put his arms around her tho she could have backed out. When she did that I thot OH NO, DO NOT go back to HIM again. Not after all u did to get away from him!! I just hope that doesn't mean that Chris is trying to get her back b/c they just need to stay away from each other and Ali needs to get help for her sexual problems.

#18   2008/07/16 08:23PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote hurrikun:
Quote Plot-Twister: I have to say I am more with Cosmic Empress on this issue of sexual harrassment. I would have loved to see this storyline played out more for the drama of it all, but also for the educational possibilities.

As for Allison falling back in Chris' arms yesterday, I think after the scare she walked in on, she would have fallen into Satan's arms without thinking. Decker tried to kill her!

I do agree that Allie doesn't always think her actions through or acknowledge responsibility for everything (like blaming Chris for getting kicked out of nursing school - that was really on her and wasn't really the core of the lawsuit) but it doesn't dismiss that fact that sexual harrasment happens, and the character of the person that it happens to is irrelevant.


I thought it was the core of the lawsuit. I mean, that was the issue all along (or so I thought and that was the discussion at the trial). Chris certainly committed perjury by lying about what he said to Brenda. But as I just wrote, I hardly consider "ending preferential treatment" by telling Brenda, "no more favors, do what you want", is sexual harassment. His sexual problems were his motive for his actions, to be sure, but since all this did was level the playing field whereby Brenda could treat Allison how she thought she should have been treated all along, it's not harassment.

As far as Doc Decker, let's not forget that Chris was instrumental in helping try to protect Allison and Susan from him back during his reign of terror. Rick had also tried to kill Bob and almost succeeded. Recall how many weeks Bob was laid up in the hospital and unable to speak. So, Chris and Allison both have a big history with him and a lot to fear.


What prompted the lawsuit was the nursing program/preferential treatment. What would have won the lawsuit was the way Chris acted and the way he got her knocked off of patient care.

I would have totally loved to see this trial play out. But it didn't, so, oh well.

#19   2008/07/16 08:25PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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I don't really have a problem with Decker he's new coming back and all we don't really need a history lesson of his past wahtever happened he's back now try to deal with it as adults that's it.As for Allie screaming blood cuddled screams boy she can be loud wow I had to check my ears but they are fine luckily.I wish she wouldn't scream but be more like tough and you know kinda stand up to him Decker.I think Decker is a kewl dude lol lol.

#20   2008/07/16 08:27PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote JOHNNYDUDE: I don't really have a problem with Decker he's new coming back and all we don't really need a history lesson of his past wahtever happened he's back now try to deal with it as adults that's it.As for Allie screaming blood cuddled screams boy she can be loud wow I had to check my ears but they are fine luckily.I wish she wouldn't scream but be more like tough and you know kinda stand up to him Decker.I think Decker is a kewl dude lol lol.


I'm glad yr ears r ok, lol. However, if u had watched it when all this was going on, and maybe u did I don't know, u would know why she did that blood-curdling scream. I would have too if I were her. That was some scream alright!!

#21   2008/07/16 08:39PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Yeah me too I'm gad my ears are ok too thank god.Yes I did watch it I watch the show every single day and miss it alot on the weekends.Oh I know why she did that blood curdling screams because she was afraid of Decker and if Chris wasn't there I would gladly at anytime take his place stand up to him like John Cena and protect the nice young lady no woman nice young woman and protect her with my life as if it depended on it trust me I will all righty.Yeah oh boy was it a scream all right I think we kinda have a tie with her and Gwenney in her storyline with Adam.I will stand up to any threat any guy gun no gun knife no knife wahtever because it's the right thing to do because I have guts because I'm brave and because that's my job and also because I want to do it!!!!.Whelter it's Chris,Decker whoever I will stand up I'm not gonna hide and be a scaredy cat too no way NEVER!!!!.

#22   2008/07/17 03:59PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
hurrikun
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Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote hurrikun:
Quote Plot-Twister: I have to say I am more with Cosmic Empress on this issue of sexual harrassment. I would have loved to see this storyline played out more for the drama of it all, but also for the educational possibilities.

As for Allison falling back in Chris' arms yesterday, I think after the scare she walked in on, she would have fallen into Satan's arms without thinking. Decker tried to kill her!

I do agree that Allie doesn't always think her actions through or acknowledge responsibility for everything (like blaming Chris for getting kicked out of nursing school - that was really on her and wasn't really the core of the lawsuit) but it doesn't dismiss that fact that sexual harrasment happens, and the character of the person that it happens to is irrelevant.


I thought it was the core of the lawsuit. I mean, that was the issue all along (or so I thought and that was the discussion at the trial). Chris certainly committed perjury by lying about what he said to Brenda. But as I just wrote, I hardly consider "ending preferential treatment" by telling Brenda, "no more favors, do what you want", is sexual harassment. His sexual problems were his motive for his actions, to be sure, but since all this did was level the playing field whereby Brenda could treat Allison how she thought she should have been treated all along, it's not harassment.

As far as Doc Decker, let's not forget that Chris was instrumental in helping try to protect Allison and Susan from him back during his reign of terror. Rick had also tried to kill Bob and almost succeeded. Recall how many weeks Bob was laid up in the hospital and unable to speak. So, Chris and Allison both have a big history with him and a lot to fear.


What prompted the lawsuit was the nursing program/preferential treatment. What would have won the lawsuit was the way Chris acted and the way he got her knocked off of patient care.

I would have totally loved to see this trial play out. But it didn't, so, oh well.


I thought the suit had already been made before she got taken off patient care. But I may be wrong on the order of events.

#23   2008/07/17 05:44PM
Re: Holier Than Thou Alison!
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Quote hurrikun:
Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote hurrikun:
Quote Plot-Twister: I have to say I am more with Cosmic Empress on this issue of sexual harrassment. I would have loved to see this storyline played out more for the drama of it all, but also for the educational possibilities.

As for Allison falling back in Chris' arms yesterday, I think after the scare she walked in on, she would have fallen into Satan's arms without thinking. Decker tried to kill her!

I do agree that Allie doesn't always think her actions through or acknowledge responsibility for everything (like blaming Chris for getting kicked out of nursing school - that was really on her and wasn't really the core of the lawsuit) but it doesn't dismiss that fact that sexual harrasment happens, and the character of the person that it happens to is irrelevant.


I thought it was the core of the lawsuit. I mean, that was the issue all along (or so I thought and that was the discussion at the trial). Chris certainly committed perjury by lying about what he said to Brenda. But as I just wrote, I hardly consider "ending preferential treatment" by telling Brenda, "no more favors, do what you want", is sexual harassment. His sexual problems were his motive for his actions, to be sure, but since all this did was level the playing field whereby Brenda could treat Allison how she thought she should have been treated all along, it's not harassment.

As far as Doc Decker, let's not forget that Chris was instrumental in helping try to protect Allison and Susan from him back during his reign of terror. Rick had also tried to kill Bob and almost succeeded. Recall how many weeks Bob was laid up in the hospital and unable to speak. So, Chris and Allison both have a big history with him and a lot to fear.


What prompted the lawsuit was the nursing program/preferential treatment. What would have won the lawsuit was the way Chris acted and the way he got her knocked off of patient care.

I would have totally loved to see this trial play out. But it didn't, so, oh well.


I thought the suit had already been made before she got taken off patient care. But I may be wrong on the order of events.


I can't remember if it was filed, or not, but the removal from patient care would have clinched it. Bonnie could have filed on what she had, but what Chris gave her later was just gravy.

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