As the World Turns - MESSAGE BOARDS

Quote beckygirl69: Well I don't care what any of you say the only sexual organs on the human body is the penis and vagina. The mouth and anus are not sexual organs and should not be used as such. You have a point the penis and vagina are used for disposal but they are also sexual organs. I still don't see what facts or proof you have given to show that gay sex is ok just as you've said the other poster didn't show any facts that is wasn't ok. It appears to me you both are stating opinions.

Quote margolovestom:

But you see once again you have missed the point, and I bet this will just keep going round and round...
There are heterosexuals and homosexuals that have oral and anal sex.
There are heterosexuals and homosexuals who do not engage in penetration of any kind when they have sex. There is more to sex then just intercourse. Now opinions are that homosexuality is wrong or that it isn't wrong. I have to ask though of those who think that it is wrong, who made you the boss of the world? Who are you to determine if someone's sexual life is right or wrong?

Quote beckygirl69: Well I don't care what any of you say the only sexual organs on the human body is the penis and vagina. The mouth and anus are not sexual organs and should not be used as such. You have a point the penis and vagina are used for disposal but they are also sexual organs. I still don't see what facts or proof you have given to show that gay sex is ok just as you've said the other poster didn't show any facts that is wasn't ok. It appears to me you both are stating opinions.

Quote CC rider:

Your right a relationship isn't all about intercourse. All I have to go by is the teachings I've had all my life and the teachings my parents had and their parents had and their parents and so on. I've never seen a time in history where gay relationships were accepted. Your right though it's not my place to say it's wrong and it isn't your place to say it's right or that it is okay.

Quote CC rider:

Your right a relationship isn't all about intercourse. All I have to go by is the teachings I've had all my life and the teachings my parents had and their parents had and their parents and so on. I've never seen a time in history where gay relationships were accepted. Your right though it's not my place to say it's wrong and it isn't your place to say it's right or that it is okay.

Quote Valinator1: It disturbs me as well too. I have nothing against gays in particular, but on the other hand it's difficult for me to watch 2 men kiss each other. I think it disturbs me more than 2 women kissing. Not that I'm a big fan of 2 women kissing, but I think it's more acceptable then if 2 guy's kiss. Although I mentioned this before I fstfwd the whole storyline between Luke and that dude.

Quote Valinator1: It disturbs me as well too. I have nothing against gays in particular, but on the other hand it's difficult for me to watch 2 men kiss each other. I think it disturbs me more than 2 women kissing. Not that I'm a big fan of 2 women kissing, but I think it's more acceptable then if 2 guy's kiss. Although I mentioned this before I fstfwd the whole storyline between Luke and that dude.

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Quote Plot-Twister:

So, lesbians are ok, but gay men are not ok??? Why?

Quote treasure_chest:

I'll answer this one gladly, it's because women are feminine and men are not. We look at men as strong and tough and we look at women as soft and feminine, they have curves that are sexy.

Quote Buffyfan428:

Once again, it's YOUR opinion that the penis and vagina are the only sexual organs. I think you're confusing REPRODUCTIVE organs, with sexual body parts. No, they're not the same thing.

And I'm fairly certain that I've never even said I support gays or gay sex. You could infer that I do, but I've never even said it. All I've done is question other people's reasons for thinking it's wrong, trying to understand the "logic" behind their reasoning. To be honest, I suppose my main reason for accepting homosexuality, which is it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own, would be technically considered an opinion, even though a large amount of people would agree with me. I don't deny it's an opinion, but I don't like people who put other's opinions and feelings down, by trying to argue with their own opinions. NOTE, all I've done in these posts is question other's opinions by observing them from a logical point of view. From my memory, the most I've said where I expressed my opinion was that it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own. Other than that all of my posts have just been inquiring as to why some people feel the way they do, and trying to find the logic, or lacktherof, in their arguments, and I've found a lot of these people's arguments are based on no logic at all.

I view the whole, "You say it's not wrong, so prove it right" thing like atheists telling religious people, "You say we're wrong about not believing in god, but you have no real proof he exists." You may say I shouldn't question the logic in the opinions of those who oppose homosexuality if I can't necessarily prove it's right. However, I've dissected some people's opinions on here, who really have no LOGICAL reason for opposing homosexuality. My reason is it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own. I would absolutely love for someone to show me the flawed thinking in this stance (I'm being dead serious). I love to learn and view things differently. PLEASE, someone tell me where I'm wrong in thinking this.

One of the key points in debating, or just having a civilized discussion about opposing views, is to try and speak from a FACTUAL not OPINIONATED point of view, and try to examine the logical aspects of your opponents views. Now, if someone showed me my reason logically didn't make sense, I would accept it, and try to find a better, more logical reason for feeling the way I do, and if I didn't, I would consider changing my mind about the subject. However, many people on here, will not accept rejection of their "logic". For example, I asked the people who say homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't result in procreation, if they think infertile heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to love. LOGICALLY, it's a good question. If you claim your ONLY reason for disapproving of gays is the inability to reproduce, LOGICALLY you wouldn't approve of heterosexuals who can't reproduce being in a relationship. However, none of the people to whom I directed this question responded or tried to explain why it's okay for case A, but not case B, and I'm sure they won't change their minds or accept this LOGICAL query.

Not to rant, but a few years ago in a class of mine we had to debate about a topic, and one of them was gay adoption. Two of my friends had to debate against each other, and both had to argue for the side they opposed (the girl who was for it had to argue against it and vice-versa). They were able to lay their opinions aside, and find the FACTS that supported their assigned stances, and they debated for nearly an hour.

It's truly amazing what you can do when you just let your guard down, and just TRY to IMAGINE that your POV could be flawed. You can learn a lot by doing this. A lot of people on this board can't do that. No one's tried to examine my reasons, so please by all means someone do it.

Quote Buffyfan428: [quo

Once again, it's YOUR opinion that the penis and vagina are the only sexual organs. I think you're confusing REPRODUCTIVE organs, with sexual body parts. No, they're not the same thing.

And I'm fairly certain that I've never even said I support gays or gay sex. You could infer that I do, but I've never even said it. All I've done is question other people's reasons for thinking it's wrong, trying to understand the "logic" behind their reasoning. To be honest, I suppose my main reason for accepting homosexuality, which is it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own, would be technically considered an opinion, even though a large amount of people would agree with me. I don't deny it's an opinion, but I don't like people who put other's opinions and feelings down, by trying to argue with their own opinions. NOTE, all I've done in these posts is question other's opinions by observing them from a logical point of view. From my memory, the most I've said where I expressed my opinion was that it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own. Other than that all of my posts have just been inquiring as to why some people feel the way they do, and trying to find the logic, or lacktherof, in their arguments, and I've found a lot of these people's arguments are based on no logic at all.

I view the whole, "You say it's not wrong, so prove it right" thing like atheists telling religious people, "You say we're wrong about not believing in god, but you have no real proof he exists." You may say I shouldn't question the logic in the opinions of those who oppose homosexuality if I can't necessarily prove it's right. However, I've dissected some people's opinions on here, who really have no LOGICAL reason for opposing homosexuality. My reason is it's no one's business who you sleep with but your own. I would absolutely love for someone to show me the flawed thinking in this stance (I'm being dead serious). I love to learn and view things differently. PLEASE, someone tell me where I'm wrong in thinking this.

One of the key points in debating, or just having a civilized discussion about opposing views, is to try and speak from a FACTUAL not OPINIONATED point of view, and try to examine the logical aspects of your opponents views. Now, if someone showed me my reason logically didn't make sense, I would accept it, and try to find a better, more logical reason for feeling the way I do, and if I didn't, I would consider changing my mind about the subject. However, many people on here, will not accept rejection of their "logic". For example, I asked the people who say homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't result in procreation, if they think infertile heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to love. LOGICALLY, it's a good question. If you claim your ONLY reason for disapproving of gays is the inability to reproduce, LOGICALLY you wouldn't approve of heterosexuals who can't reproduce being in a relationship. However, none of the people to whom I directed this question responded or tried to explain why it's okay for case A, but not case B, and I'm sure they won't change their minds or accept this LOGICAL query.

Not to rant, but a few years ago in a class of mine we had to debate about a topic, and one of them was gay adoption. Two of my friends had to debate against each other, and both had to argue for the side they opposed (the girl who was for it had to argue against it and vice-versa). They were able to lay their opinions aside, and find the FACTS that supported their assigned stances, and they debated for nearly an hour.

It's truly amazing what you can do when you just let your guard down, and just TRY to IMAGINE that your POV could be flawed. You can learn a lot by doing this. A lot of people on this board can't do that. No one's tried to examine my reasons, so please by all means someone do it.

Quote beckygirl69:
Can you please either ask a question or just make a statement and do it without rambling on and on. Either you support gay relationships or you don't. Either you have a logical reason to say why it's okay or you don't. I'm not a doctor or a scientist so I can't give you any facts or logic you couldn't get from google. I will say I'm against it because I chose to be, now whether you accept that or not I don't care. I say there are two sexual organs you say there are more, even studies say there are more, but there are studies who say there aren't. There is always going to be two sides to this and that's never going to change. So accept it, and get over it and get on with your life.