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Janet is being such a bad mother right now

Started by lttlangel420 at 2009/09/18 06:29PM
Latest post: 2009/10/19 08:38AM, Views: 1906, Replies: 111
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#61   2009/10/15 08:46AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Spaceroy
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Jan is having the same problem that I'm having, having to deal with the fact that our children are their own people, that we raised them to be different and celebrate whats different about themselves and yet when they did I was devastated-"what do you mean you have a different opinion than me !!" I scream!! " I raised you better!!" Its hard.

That being said I believe you should be able to kill your children up until their 21st birthday.

#62   2009/10/15 12:47PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote Tammer: So lets throw this out there.
Ok say Liberty is pregnant (or even one of our children) We find out that if they carry this perfectly normal, healthy child to term the mother "could" die.
Would you expect your child to risk their life to carry a child they never planned? Would you be willing to take that risk, knowing your child that you love may not get through it?
Is murder ok then?

I know I would NEVER want that for my child.



This is NOT a fair question. Liberty does not have health risks. If she did not want a baby, she should have used PROTECTION!! Teach your kids consequences!!! You cannot get an abortion and then pretend you were never pregnant.

For the record I was 16 high risk pregnancy. My mom NEVER gave the option for an abortion. The thought NEVER crossed my mind.


YES it IS a fair question. I asked "what if" ..afraid to answer huh?
Just as I thought.
Kudos to you for being pregnant at 16 and having your baby.
Your mom letting you go through a high risk pregnancy...well IMO is crazy, especially if the risk was to you!
Again that is your choice, and we don't have the right to take that away from you, just as you don't have the right to dismiss a differing opinion.
If it were MY choice, I would have NEVER let my daughter have a baby that could potentially KILL her. Who said people get abortions and then pretend they were never pregnant?
I know women who agonized over that decision, but knew it was best not to bring an unwanted child into the world...rape and incest victims to be exact. Does your (high and mighty, my opinion is the "right" opinion) include those people, or is it ok to terminate then too?
Furthermore, babies are made sometimes with protection...
and no one should have to suffer a consequence because of a mistake.
Geeze what a great reason to bring a child into the world, to make you suffer your mistake..hey you did the crime, now you have to do the time.
Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...


I was raped at 16. I did not want to be a mother. I did not enjoy being pregnant. I was scared. No matter what abortion did not enter my mind. No, I was not the best mother in the world. I was 16. I tried my best and he is grateful for that. I look at him today and think what if I would have killed him. My life would be empty. I have other kids, but I could not imagine life without him.


Tell me something. When you make mistakes 9 times out of 10 you pay for your mistakes. Actions have consequences. There is always open adoptions.


Thankyou!! Your post really brightened my day!! I hope your son knows how lucky he is! To have a mother as great as you!!Im glad im not the only one who thinks we need to remind our kids that"Actions have consequences" and sweeping them under the rug doesn't change the facts!!! I also find it interesting the words individuals choice what about the babies choice?(even if we choose to ignore the truth it is still a human being, even though it's not fully formed) does anyone ask them what they want?


You make a good point, someone should ask the baby, so take it out and ask it, but I don't think your gonna get a response seeing how it doesn't have a brain, a tongue, or lungs things you kind of need to talk. So let's do this, if you want it you can have it but don't force me to carry it around for 9 months, you might as well hold me hostage for nine months, which is also illegal.
All those people saying it is killing a person by having an abortion should volunteer their body to carry the baby for nine months instead of forcing someone who isn't ready for such a commitment.




WK 1 of preg: Your first week of pregnancy is actually begins the first day of your last period.

WK 2:At the beginning of week 2 the egg implants into the uterine wall

WK 3:While this embryo doesn’t look anything like a fetus or a baby at this point, the brain, backbone, and the cardio-vascular system – complete with a beating heart are beginning to form!

WK4:At this point your embryo has three main brain sections: the forebrain, middle brain and hindbrain. Parts of the eye, including the pigment and optical stalk are visible. The beginning of a mouth with tongue is distinguishable and the thyroid and lymphatic system is forming. Lung buds are forming and the heart is quite large, with circulation well established. The first thin layer of skin is formed and buds that will become arms and legs are becoming visible.
**At this point you may take a home pregnancy test!!!!!

WK5: The first system to form, the circulatory system is now functioning with all four chambers of the heart present.

WK6:The first movements will take place halfway through this week. Nostrils are beginning to form and the neural tube that connects the brain and spinal cord will close this week. The skeleton is formed. The appendix is in place and intestines are developing. At this point, brain hemispheres have formed and brain waves can be recorded. The heart has four separate chambers and the heartbeat will soon become more regular.

They have a BRAIN from the start. They have a HEART, unlike some people.


OMG we KNOW!!!
How many times must you post that?
It's FINE what you believe in, please stop shoving it down our throats and please stop trying to change our minds.
We get it, and we still believe it's an individuals choice.
No amount of posting those facts is going to change that.
There are just as many arguments for the other side.
This thread was about Janet being a bad mother right now, and she is!
Regardless of her beliefs she is PUSHING them on her daughter, who doesn't feel the same way!
How would you like to be told you HAD to have an abortion because your parent told you too?
Would your body still belong to them cuz you're under 18?
Janet sucks at parenting right now, she has a one track mind..(hmmm never mind).

Oh and P.S. regardless of your stats, a baby still can't talk.
It's NOT Janet's right to "let" her keep or "terminate" the PREGNANCY.


I am not shoving anything down anyones throat. If someone wants to post it has no brain, heart whatever. I will show them proof it does from the very the start of conception.

It is Janets right. Liberty is her minor daughter.



Yes you are, and no it isn't her right at all!!!
So are you saying that if Janet told her to get an abortion, and Liberty didn't believe in it that Janet should get her way? By your posts it doesn't matter about the baby, it's the parents decision according to you they are minors..so if Liberty chooses to terminate it's her right!
It's NOT Janet's right at all!

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#63   2009/10/15 12:54PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote Spaceroy: Jan is having the same problem that I'm having, having to deal with the fact that our children are their own people, that we raised them to be different and celebrate whats different about themselves and yet when they did I was devastated-"what do you mean you have a different opinion than me !!" I scream!! " I raised you better!!" Its hard.

That being said I believe you should be able to kill your children up until their 21st birthday.


LMAO!! I agree.

#64   2009/10/16 06:41AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
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Im wondering why she wont answer the question about a parent having the right to force an abortion seeing she says its Janets decision because Liberty is under age. You cant have it both ways

#65   2009/10/16 08:29AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
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%( *Sigh* I think Janet had every right to express how she feels to Liberty, but she had no right to throw out what Liberty was thinking, feeling, or even going through. Like even right now, she isn't giving her the real support she needs, she's just trying to get Liberty to give up the child to her and Jack so they can have their little happy disfunction in her face. She wanted to abort, I disagree with abortion 100%, but if that was my daughter, and she truly felt in her heart that she couldn't handle this and it was the only decision she wanted to make after putting into thought all of her other options, then as a mother of a little girl (who yet has to experience a full view of the world, as she is only 4)I would have no choice but to respect how my sweet little angel feels, and be there with complete support to let her know that no MATTER WHAT, I will always be there without judgement. I mean as much as I can.

#66   2009/10/16 09:15AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote MyzNikki: *Sigh* I think Janet had every right to express how she feels to Liberty, but she had no right to throw out what Liberty was thinking, feeling, or even going through. Like even right now, she isn't giving her the real support she needs, she's just trying to get Liberty to give up the child to her and Jack so they can have their little happy disfunction in her face. She wanted to abort, I disagree with abortion 100%, but if that was my daughter, and she truly felt in her heart that she couldn't handle this and it was the only decision she wanted to make after putting into thought all of her other options, then as a mother of a little girl (who yet has to experience a full view of the world, as she is only 4)I would have no choice but to respect how my sweet little angel feels, and be there with complete support to let her know that no MATTER WHAT, I will always be there without judgement. I mean as much as I can.


Great post. That's what parents do, love unconditionally and without judgment.

#67   2009/10/17 11:33PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
NoNuke4me
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Alabama
The Law: Requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. Judicial Bypass - Yes

Alaska
The Law: Currently, you do not need parent permission to have an abortion. However, there is a law which requires girls younger than 17 to get permission from one parent to have an abortion. This law is not being enforced because of a court order. Call a clinic for more information.

Arizona, Colorado
The Law: Currently, you do not need parent permission to have an abortion. However, there is a law which requires girls younger than 18 to get permission from one parent to have an abortion. This law is not being enforced because of a court order. Call a clinic for more information.

Arkansas
The Law: Requires that both of your parents be told of your decision (not give permission, just told) 48 hours before your abortion. Judicial Bypass - Yes.

California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Hawaii
You do not need parent permission to have an abortion

Delaware
The Law: Requires that if you are younger than 16, one of your parents, a grandparent or a mental health professional (such as a counselor) be told of your decision (not give permission, just told) 24 hours before your abortion. Judicial Bypass - Yes.

Florida
The Law: Florida's new law requires parental notification which is different than parental permission. A judicial bypass hearing is allowed for minors who need to have abortion and cannot tell their parents. Call a clinic for more information.

Georgia
The Law: Requires that one of your parents be told (not give permission, just told) 24 hours before your abortion. Judicial Bypass - Yes.

Idaho
The Law: Requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. Judicial Bypass - Yes.


**Illinois**
You do not need parent permission to have an abortion


Oakdale, IL., where Liberty currently lives.

Enough said, it's her body, it's her decision, not Janet's.
Since everyone wants to waste board space posting the development of a fetus, I thought I'd waste a little space of my own with the only facts that really matter. That it is Liberty's CHOICE!!

#68   2009/10/18 09:27AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
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******SPOILER******************



Well Liberty has a miscarriage this week. So no abortion.

To answer the question, if a parent forces the kid to have an abortion, they should be shot. I do think it is the parents who should have the say so, not the kids. Abortion should not be legal, unless it is truly life treating are rape.

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#69   2009/10/18 09:46AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
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Quote hello goodbye: Well Liberty has a miscarriage this week. So no abortion.

To answer the question, if a parent forces the kid to have an abortion, they should be shot. I do think it is the parents who should have the say so, not the kids. Abortion should not be legal, unless it is truly life treating are rape.


Actually if you are going to tell something that is going to happen in the future, you are suppose to mark it as a spoiler........some people might not want to know that there is suppose to be a miscarriage next week!! As far as I am concerned that is a blessing, since Janet would not allow Liberty to make her own choice. If that is indeed what happens, I hope that Libs can pick up her life and be happy, also hope that she never, ever forgives her mom and uncle Ralphie...Janet was way out of line during this storyline and it just makes me understand why I have never liked her since day one..pray that she is very soon written off!!

#70   2009/10/18 10:13AM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote hello goodbye: ******SPOILER******************



Well Liberty has a miscarriage this week. So no abortion.

To answer the question, if a parent forces the kid to have an abortion, they should be shot. I do think it is the parents who should have the say so, not the kids. Abortion should not be legal, unless it is truly life treating are rape.



So if a parent forces murder (in your opinion) they should then be murdered? Hmmm...You can't have it both ways!
Everyone has a RIGHT to their own choices, and others opinions are/should be kept to themselves in those cases.

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#71   2009/10/18 02:47PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
bigtimesoapfan
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Hello Goodbye I wanted to applaud you for your post and as to your spoiler imo no sweat if you check this site for spoilers Low and behold It's there. so again don't worry about it!! I hope they really explore this imo miscarriages are heartbreaking. Im hoping it will make Liberty realize how precious her unborn child was!! and hopefully she will realize mow that sex ixsn't a game and it does have consequences(even if some want to sweep them under the rug!! imo

To everyone else I respectfully agree to disagree and im thankful this is a s/l and not real!!

#72   2009/10/18 04:05PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote bigtimesoapfan: Hello Goodbye I wanted to applaud you for your post and as to your spoiler imo no sweat if you check this site for spoilers Low and behold It's there. so again don't worry about it!! I hope they really explore this imo miscarriages are heartbreaking. Im hoping it will make Liberty realize how precious her unborn child was!! and hopefully she will realize mow that sex ixsn't a game and it does have consequences(even if some want to sweep them under the rug!! imo

To everyone else I respectfully agree to disagree and im thankful this is a s/l and not real!!


The point is there is a place for spoilers. If a poster doesn't want to read them they know to NOT go to a "spoiler" thread or the "spoiler section."
It's guidelines, I suggest you brush up on them.

#73   2009/10/18 04:42PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Dixie43
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[quote]Quote bigtimesoapfan: Hello Goodbye I wanted to applaud you for your post and as to your spoiler imo no sweat if you check this site for spoilers Low and behold It's there. so again don't worry about it!! I hope they really explore this imo miscarriages are heartbreaking. Im hoping it will make Liberty realize how precious her unborn child was!! and hopefully she will realize mow that sex ixsn't a game and it does have consequences(even if some want to sweep them under the rug!! imo


I believe that I was the first one to bring up the spoiler issue, there are sites for that or you should warn someone that you are about to tell something that has not happened yet....if Liberty does indeed have a miscarriage, then I want to see it before I read about it and as Tammer says that is a big no no in the guidelines. Guess I am just funny that way. Can tell you that there was one large blow up on the Guiding Light thread when the person told all of us that Alan died before we saw it....no one on that thread thought that it was no big deal that it was not termed a spoiler..

Spaceroy and Tammer, I agree about wanting our kids to be their own people, it is very hard sometime tho isn't it? Janet needs to take a parenting class somewhere, she is sure enough going to lose Liberty for good because she is just not capable of shutting up and listening to her daughter.....that is just sad to me!

#74   2009/10/18 05:18PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
NoNuke4me
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Quote hello goodbye: ******SPOILER******************



Well Liberty has a miscarriage this week. So no abortion.

To answer the question, if a parent forces the kid to have an abortion, they should be shot. I do think it is the parents who should have the say so, not the kids. Abortion should not be legal, unless it is truly life treating are rape.


Why stop at abortion??
You shouldn't be able to get breast reduction or enhancement, you shouldn't be able to have open heart surgery, you shouldn't be allowed to choose where you work or live. Let's leave all these decisions up to the government. LOOK you can't have it both ways, either you agree to the freedom to make your own decisions about your life or you don't. How would you like it if the government told you that their was a limit on how many children you could have and you get pregnant and they force you to have an abortion because your over the limit. The choice is no longer yours, so becareful when you start wanting to take away a person's right to choose.
You say a parent should have the final say on whether a their child has an abortion or not, then you say if a parent forces their child to have an abortion they should be shot. WELL WHICH IS IT?? Does the parent have the final say regardless or not??
Just say what it is really and that is No abortion for anyone. Force people against their will to have a child that is what people against abortion really want. To force someone to do something against their will makes a person no better than a criminal.
Like I said before if you want it you can have it, just get it out of my body and you can have it, I'm not carrying it for 9 months unless I want to carry it for 9 months.

#75   2009/10/18 05:33PM
Re: Janet is being such a bad mother right now
Tammer
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Quote NoNuke4me:
Quote hello goodbye: ******SPOILER******************



Well Liberty has a miscarriage this week. So no abortion.

To answer the question, if a parent forces the kid to have an abortion, they should be shot. I do think it is the parents who should have the say so, not the kids. Abortion should not be legal, unless it is truly life treating are rape.


Why stop at abortion??
You shouldn't be able to get breast reduction or enhancement, you shouldn't be able to have open heart surgery, you shouldn't be allowed to choose where you work or live. Let's leave all these decisions up to the government. LOOK you can't have it both ways, either you agree to the freedom to make your own decisions about your life or you don't. How would you like it if the government told you that their was a limit on how many children you could have and you get pregnant and they force you to have an abortion because your over the limit. The choice is no longer yours, so becareful when you start wanting to take away a person's right to choose.
You say a parent should have the final say on whether a their child has an abortion or not, then you say if a parent forces their child to have an abortion they should be shot. WELL WHICH IS IT?? Does the parent have the final say regardless or not??
Just say what it is really and that is No abortion for anyone. Force people against their will to have a child that is what people against abortion really want. To force someone to do something against their will makes a person no better than a criminal.
Like I said before if you want it you can have it, just get it out of my body and you can have it, I'm not carrying it for 9 months unless I want to carry it for 9 months.


May I add, babies having babies in most cases WE end up supporting. Most don't finish school, and are a complete drain on society.
There are reason's people have choices. If you don't believe in abortion for YOURSELF that's fine( I don't for me) however if another person has no issue with that choice, I say put a sock in it they probably don't care about others opinions anyhow.
I know I wouldn't, and unless I ask, it's none of anyones damn business!
JMO

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