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Standing by Janet......
Started by nonniepat at 2009/09/16 11:44AMLatest post: 2009/10/05 01:45PM, Views: 1540, Replies: 94
Tammer |
Quote hello goodbye: Quote Tammer: Quote hello goodbye: Look I was raped at 16. I did not have an abortion. I raised him. I went to school. He is now 21. I would not trade him for the world. So do not play that card. If you go out and murder someone because you were having a bad day. What would happen? What would the judge say if you told him it was a 1 time mistake. Why should I have to pay for it. He would laugh at you while sentencing you to prison. Well you have sex, you have consequences. Yes, you pay for your mistakes. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. This choice people are quick to defend is MURDER. You are killing something with a beating heart. Who is playing WHAT card? I asked a valid question, IF your daughter were raped or abused by a family member(like her father) would you expect her to have that child? What you did was YOUR choice, YOU made it. No one told you you HAD to abort your child. No one should tell ANYONE that they have to have a baby they didn't plan or want. It is MURDER in YOUR opinion, there are people that don't think it is...oh and the law that says it isn't. That "you play you pay" line is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous! This is the "real world" welcome to it! We are not living in a "fantasy world" just because you don't believe in abortion and a woman's right to choose. .And the part of your post(Well you have sex, you have consequences, Yes, you pay for your mistakes)...what a fantastic reason to bring a life into this world. PAYING FOR YOUR MISTAKES, so the baby is your punishment?  You are right. You should just have a fetus slaughtered like it never existed. Then a female can go on with her happy go lucky life. What a happy choice. Surely you jest. To some it's a choice, and yes sadly for some a happy one. Slaughter is far from what happens in an EARLY abortion. I asked you very nicely, valid questions which you choose to get defensive about. It's not a matter of who is right or wrong, if you read my posts you would see I would not choose terminating a pregnancy FOR ME. I'm not here to rattle you, obviously you had a VERY hard choice in your young life. I commend you for being so determined. My point is there are circumstances, and everyone has a different reason. One night of bad choices is not a reason to MAKE a child/teen have a baby. By your own quote you said, "you play you pay" and that implies that you need to suffer the consequences...meaning the baby is your punishment. Just sayin...  I just wanted to add, I enjoyed our exchange and in NO WAY am I trying to tick you off. I have no doubt you are a very kind, caring person by the way you stick to your beliefs. |
hello goodbye |
Sorry, I do not mean to get so defensive. For some reason this is just hitting a nerve. I guess how quick people are to just get rid of the problem. If I would have had that attitude with my son, the world would be missing out on a lot. I know what it is like to be 16 and scared, embarrassed and made fun of. He was worth all of it. Yes, I believe there are very few occasions for an abortion. |
2577Echo |
I have followed very closely the intense debate on the subject. I have to say I am still ambivalent about abortion, and am thankful I never had to make the decision for anyone in my family or for me. I miscarried a second child in the fifth month when my son was 5 years old. After it was over, the doctor performed what he called a "therapeutic abortion" to eliminate the possibility of infection. It was excruciatingly painful. Something like this leaves a void, and you cannot help thinking somehow it was your fault. All I would say about the subject is if you are going to have an abortion or advise someone on the subject, please be fully informed as to what is involved, and be aware of possible emotional consequences. |
tigers3 |
I have to say that i don't agree with you. Janet didn't give to craps about Jack helping Carley, she was to gellous over Carely and Jack.Janet is a selfish person and always will be.. |
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Tammer |
Quote hello goodbye: Sorry, I do not mean to get so defensive. For some reason this is just hitting a nerve. I guess how quick people are to just get rid of the problem. If I would have had that attitude with my son, the world would be missing out on a lot. I know what it is like to be 16 and scared, embarrassed and made fun of. He was worth all of it. Yes, I believe there are very few occasions for an abortion. We adopted 2 kids then I had my next 3 kids in my 30's. I had 5 miscarriages. When I finally stayed pregnant I was very high risk. 3 separate pregnancies. I could have died and my babies could have died. Never once did I complain about it (me dying). My 3 year old was not planed. He was a nice surprise! He went against what the dr's told us. He survived when they said he wouldn't. So for someone to just kill a fetus his horrible. There are so many who want kids and can't have them. For the record I love my adopted kids just as much as my blood kids. I would NOT trade them for the world. They vacuum a fetus and tear it to shreds. That is slaughtering. Of course you love your adopted children as much! I know you had a hard choice, and you were very brave. I'm sorry you had such a hard time having children, and see why you are defensive. As for the vacuum method, is horrible, and later in the pregnancy(fetal stage it would be devastating. There are several ways however to terminate. Some ( embryo stage)are simply an injection to thin the uterine wall, and it's like a heavy period. In no way am I trying to diminish a life, however I still stand firm that one has the right to choose and not be judged. Women that have unprotected sex,(worried about a possible pregnancy) should go and get the morning after pill..THE morning after, to avoid this kind of situation. Have a great night!
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NoNuke4me |
Quote Tammer: Quote hello goodbye: Sorry, I do not mean to get so defensive. For some reason this is just hitting a nerve. I guess how quick people are to just get rid of the problem. If I would have had that attitude with my son, the world would be missing out on a lot. I know what it is like to be 16 and scared, embarrassed and made fun of. He was worth all of it. Yes, I believe there are very few occasions for an abortion. We adopted 2 kids then I had my next 3 kids in my 30's. I had 5 miscarriages. When I finally stayed pregnant I was very high risk. 3 separate pregnancies. I could have died and my babies could have died. Never once did I complain about it (me dying). My 3 year old was not planed. He was a nice surprise! He went against what the dr's told us. He survived when they said he wouldn't. So for someone to just kill a fetus his horrible. There are so many who want kids and can't have them. For the record I love my adopted kids just as much as my blood kids. I would NOT trade them for the world. They vacuum a fetus and tear it to shreds. That is slaughtering. Of course you love your adopted children as much! I know you had a hard choice, and you were very brave. I'm sorry you had such a hard time having children, and see why you are defensive. As for the vacuum method, is horrible, and later in the pregnancy(fetal stage it would be devastating. There are several ways however to terminate. Some ( embryo stage)are simply an injection to thin the uterine wall, and it's like a heavy period. In no way am I trying to diminish a life, however I still stand firm that one has the right to choose and not be judged. Women that have unprotected sex,(worried about a possible pregnancy) should go and get the morning after pill..THE morning after, to avoid this kind of situation. Have a great night! funny you mention the morning after pill, I was just wondering why Liberty didn't think to do that the next day or so after she had sex with that moron tony. I to am guilty of abortion, I couldn't tell you how many abortions I've been a part of. Yep everytime I every disposed of a used condom I'm sure I was killing thousands. See people want to back it up to the moment the woman is pregnant and say it is murder if you don't carry the baby for nine months. Well I say lets back it on up a little further how when sperm or unfertilized eggs are lost on purpose, isn't that murder too? Just think how billions of little babies are killed every minute of every day because people so carelessly catch their seed in a ballon and throw it away how selfish is that. Its Liberty's body and it's her choice what she does with it, if the apple seed or grape or whatever piece of fruit is growing in her is a human then it can be taken out and placed on life support given up for someone else to adopt it and carry it for nine months. Liberty shouldn't be forced to sacrafice 9 of the best months of her life because she was human and gave into temptation. What if the mother and/or father have aids and the baby is going to be born with aids, is it right to put the mother's life at risk and to bring a baby into the world who will probably die before it is old enough to walk? If you don't believe in abortion fine don't have one, but don't tell someone else they can't decide what they do with their body because of your beliefs. |
lttlangel420 |
OK I have two questions for everyone (both Pro-Choice and Pro-Life) |
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lttlangel420 |
I love it, I didn't check the board for like a day or two and I come back and there's 3 new pages. No matter you're opinion, I'm really thankful to everyone who is posting on this topic. I love reading everyone's different ideas and beliefs (even though I don't agree with half of them). |
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Tammer |
Quote lttlangel420: I love it, I didn't check the board for like a day or two and I come back and there's 3 new pages. No matter you're opinion, I'm really thankful to everyone who is posting on this topic. I love reading everyone's different ideas and beliefs (even though I don't agree with half of them). But no matter how much we go back and forth on this issue, we still live in a country that separates Religion from Laws. And as of right now, abortion is LEGAL!! So for everyone who calls it murder, why would the government allow doctor's to commit murder, could it be because it isn't. Its obvious I'm very PRO-CHOICE. But I'm wondering for people who aren't, is it mainly because of religious beliefs or something else???? Like is there anyone on here who doesn't believe in God that is against abortion??????? I'm just trying to understand everyone's side on this topic. I to am enjoying this thread. I appreciate that everyone is being respectful, and we can still put our opinions out there. You ask a couple of very good questions. I am pro-choice as well so my answers will be much like yours. Good job to everyone, this proves we can all act like mature adults and have a very controversial discussion.
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Tammer |
Quote NoNuke4me: Quote Tammer: Quote hello goodbye: Sorry, I do not mean to get so defensive. For some reason this is just hitting a nerve. I guess how quick people are to just get rid of the problem. If I would have had that attitude with my son, the world would be missing out on a lot. I know what it is like to be 16 and scared, embarrassed and made fun of. He was worth all of it. Yes, I believe there are very few occasions for an abortion. We adopted 2 kids then I had my next 3 kids in my 30's. I had 5 miscarriages. When I finally stayed pregnant I was very high risk. 3 separate pregnancies. I could have died and my babies could have died. Never once did I complain about it (me dying). My 3 year old was not planed. He was a nice surprise! He went against what the dr's told us. He survived when they said he wouldn't. So for someone to just kill a fetus his horrible. There are so many who want kids and can't have them. For the record I love my adopted kids just as much as my blood kids. I would NOT trade them for the world. They vacuum a fetus and tear it to shreds. That is slaughtering. Of course you love your adopted children as much! I know you had a hard choice, and you were very brave. I'm sorry you had such a hard time having children, and see why you are defensive. As for the vacuum method, is horrible, and later in the pregnancy(fetal stage it would be devastating. There are several ways however to terminate. Some ( embryo stage)are simply an injection to thin the uterine wall, and it's like a heavy period. In no way am I trying to diminish a life, however I still stand firm that one has the right to choose and not be judged. Women that have unprotected sex,(worried about a possible pregnancy) should go and get the morning after pill..THE morning after, to avoid this kind of situation. Have a great night! funny you mention the morning after pill, I was just wondering why Liberty didn't think to do that the next day or so after she had sex with that moron tony. I to am guilty of abortion, I couldn't tell you how many abortions I've been a part of. Yep everytime I every disposed of a used condom I'm sure I was killing thousands. See people want to back it up to the moment the woman is pregnant and say it is murder if you don't carry the baby for nine months. Well I say lets back it on up a little further how when sperm or unfertilized eggs are lost on purpose, isn't that murder too? Just think how billions of little babies are killed every minute of every day because people so carelessly catch their seed in a ballon and throw it away how selfish is that. Its Liberty's body and it's her choice what she does with it, if the apple seed or grape or whatever piece of fruit is growing in her is a human then it can be taken out and placed on life support given up for someone else to adopt it and carry it for nine months. Liberty shouldn't be forced to sacrafice 9 of the best months of her life because she was human and gave into temptation. What if the mother and/or father have aids and the baby is going to be born with aids, is it right to put the mother's life at risk and to bring a baby into the world who will probably die before it is old enough to walk? If you don't believe in abortion fine don't have one, but don't tell someone else they can't decide what they do with their body because of your beliefs. I see what you are saying, however a sperm or egg is not an embryo until it's fertilized...but you have valid points. |
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lttlangel420 |
Quote NoNuke4me: Quote Tammer: Quote hello goodbye: Sorry, I do not mean to get so defensive. For some reason this is just hitting a nerve. I guess how quick people are to just get rid of the problem. If I would have had that attitude with my son, the world would be missing out on a lot. I know what it is like to be 16 and scared, embarrassed and made fun of. He was worth all of it. Yes, I believe there are very few occasions for an abortion. We adopted 2 kids then I had my next 3 kids in my 30's. I had 5 miscarriages. When I finally stayed pregnant I was very high risk. 3 separate pregnancies. I could have died and my babies could have died. Never once did I complain about it (me dying). My 3 year old was not planed. He was a nice surprise! He went against what the dr's told us. He survived when they said he wouldn't. So for someone to just kill a fetus his horrible. There are so many who want kids and can't have them. For the record I love my adopted kids just as much as my blood kids. I would NOT trade them for the world. They vacuum a fetus and tear it to shreds. That is slaughtering. Of course you love your adopted children as much! I know you had a hard choice, and you were very brave. I'm sorry you had such a hard time having children, and see why you are defensive. As for the vacuum method, is horrible, and later in the pregnancy(fetal stage it would be devastating. There are several ways however to terminate. Some ( embryo stage)are simply an injection to thin the uterine wall, and it's like a heavy period. In no way am I trying to diminish a life, however I still stand firm that one has the right to choose and not be judged. Women that have unprotected sex,(worried about a possible pregnancy) should go and get the morning after pill..THE morning after, to avoid this kind of situation. Have a great night! funny you mention the morning after pill, I was just wondering why Liberty didn't think to do that the next day or so after she had sex with that moron tony. I to am guilty of abortion, I couldn't tell you how many abortions I've been a part of. Yep everytime I every disposed of a used condom I'm sure I was killing thousands. See people want to back it up to the moment the woman is pregnant and say it is murder if you don't carry the baby for nine months. Well I say lets back it on up a little further how when sperm or unfertilized eggs are lost on purpose, isn't that murder too? Just think how billions of little babies are killed every minute of every day because people so carelessly catch their seed in a ballon and throw it away how selfish is that. Its Liberty's body and it's her choice what she does with it, if the apple seed or grape or whatever piece of fruit is growing in her is a human then it can be taken out and placed on life support given up for someone else to adopt it and carry it for nine months. Liberty shouldn't be forced to sacrafice 9 of the best months of her life because she was human and gave into temptation. What if the mother and/or father have aids and the baby is going to be born with aids, is it right to put the mother's life at risk and to bring a baby into the world who will probably die before it is old enough to walk? If you don't believe in abortion fine don't have one, but don't tell someone else they can't decide what they do with their body because of your beliefs. ~LOVE THE LAST LINE~ Short sweet and to the point, I couldn't agree more!!! |
calliope |
Didn't the Catholic Church, at one time, think that using a condom was interfering with God's will because the sperm was not allowed to follow it's intended course? |
MommyofMaggie |
Janet's treatment of Liberty borders on abuse. I'm glad the writers portrayed her telling Jack that if she could keep Liberty in a continuous loop of " studying her options," for long enough, then her pregnancy would be too far gone for her to have an abortion. How honest is that? Janet just cannot deal with the fact that Liberty might want to live her life in a different way than she did. It's actually slightly genius that Liberty's considering giving the baby to Emily and Paul. Let Janet try to live eith that! Liberty and Parker are clearly the adults in this whole scenario; and even Paul and Emily look more mature that Liberty's assorted parent and parent-like relatives. |
dwebster |
How about we stand by Liberty. She knows what she wants and it's not a baby. Now if was me I would carry the child. Once she holds that baby in her arms she couldn't even give it away. |
shorty1943 |
Sorry for your pain, dwebster |
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