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Mayer and Riley

Started by NukeLover at 2009/06/23 04:47PM
Latest post: 2009/06/26 02:44PM, Views: 984, Replies: 22
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#11   2009/06/25 09:37AM
Re: Mayer and Riley
keytonblows
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I didn't see anyone throwing Maddie and Gwen under the bus when the thought they'd killed Adam and buried his body. That wasn't wrong? That wasn't disgraceful? Shouldn't we have been just as outraged at their behavior as everyone is about Colonel Mayer's behavior? Looks like there is a double standard to me, I'm not going to say what Colonel Mayer did was wrong because he felt he had valid reasons for what he did just like Gwen and Maddie felt justified with what they did. Colonel Mayer thinks he is protecting his son and I think that is a good thing. He was protecting him from a prostitute mother, and a psycho boyfriend who has a criminal history(although never prosecuted).

#12   2009/06/25 12:12PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
Buffyfan428
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Quote keytonblows: I didn't see anyone throwing Maddie and Gwen under the bus when the thought they'd killed Adam and buried his body. That wasn't wrong? That wasn't disgraceful? Shouldn't we have been just as outraged at their behavior as everyone is about Colonel Mayer's behavior? Looks like there is a double standard to me, I'm not going to say what Colonel Mayer did was wrong because he felt he had valid reasons for what he did just like Gwen and Maddie felt justified with what they did. Colonel Mayer thinks he is protecting his son and I think that is a good thing. He was protecting him from a prostitute mother, and a psycho boyfriend who has a criminal history(although never prosecuted).


That's not the same thing. Adam was practically stalking Gwen, lured her into the forest and forced her to kiss him. If Maddie hadn't been there who knows how far Adam would have gone (i.e. rape). Of course trying to bury the body wasn't the right thing to do, but Maddie was trying to protect Gwen from possibly being hurt by Adam. Still, they were wrong, and while I can't be sure of what anyone's reaction was on here to the situation when it happened, I for one am not glorifying what they did, just showing the justification that Win lacks in his actions.

Now judging by your praise of the Colonel I can see you'd try to say the situation is the same. It's not. Luke and Noah were in a consentual relationship. Noah wasn't being forced into anything and was not in danger so the Colonel's "protection" wasn't necessary. And as for killing Noah's mother to protect him, if he didn't want her around Noah, do it the legal and noble way and go to court. Get a restraining order or something-- at the very worst threaten her. Killing her shows just what kind of a man the Colonel is. His murderous and criminal actions have no justification.

And you say you're not going to say his actions were wrong because he thought he had a valid reason for doing it-- well, what murderer doesn't have what they think are "valid reasons" for killing others? If that's the way we ran our justice system anyone could get away with murder.

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#13   2009/06/25 01:04PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
keytonblows
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Quote Buffyfan428:
Quote keytonblows: I didn't see anyone throwing Maddie and Gwen under the bus when the thought they'd killed Adam and buried his body. That wasn't wrong? That wasn't disgraceful? Shouldn't we have been just as outraged at their behavior as everyone is about Colonel Mayer's behavior? Looks like there is a double standard to me, I'm not going to say what Colonel Mayer did was wrong because he felt he had valid reasons for what he did just like Gwen and Maddie felt justified with what they did. Colonel Mayer thinks he is protecting his son and I think that is a good thing. He was protecting him from a prostitute mother, and a psycho boyfriend who has a criminal history(although never prosecuted).


That's not the same thing. Adam was practically stalking Gwen, lured her into the forest and forced her to kiss him. If Maddie hadn't been there who knows how far Adam would have gone (i.e. rape). Of course trying to bury the body wasn't the right thing to do, but Maddie was trying to protect Gwen from possibly being hurt by Adam. Still, they were wrong, and while I can't be sure of what anyone's reaction was on here to the situation when it happened, I for one am not glorifying what they did, just showing the justification that Win lacks in his actions.

Now judging by your praise of the Colonel I can see you'd try to say the situation is the same. It's not. Luke and Noah were in a consentual relationship. Noah wasn't being forced into anything and was not in danger so the Colonel's "protection" wasn't necessary. And as for killing Noah's mother to protect him, if he didn't want her around Noah, do it the legal and noble way and go to court. Get a restraining order or something-- at the very worst threaten her. Killing her shows just what kind of a man the Colonel is. His murderous and criminal actions have no justification.

And you say you're not going to say his actions were wrong because he thought he had a valid reason for doing it-- well, what murderer doesn't have what they think are "valid reasons" for killing others? If that's the way we ran our justice system anyone could get away with murder.


Who is to say Luke want end up killing Noah? Who is to say Noah's mother wouldn't have put him in danger by the mear assocation she has with criminals. Luke already has had to have a kidney transplant there isn't any telling what kind of diseases he might have not to mention he is a bad influence and frequently takes the law into his own hands. Luke is a bad element, Colonel Mayer is someone Noah can look up to and be proud of for not only putting his life on the line for his country but for sacraficing his personal freedom and image to protect Noah from the evil that lurks around him.

#14   2009/06/25 01:39PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
Buffyfan428
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Quote keytonblows:
Quote Buffyfan428:
Quote keytonblows: I didn't see anyone throwing Maddie and Gwen under the bus when the thought they'd killed Adam and buried his body. That wasn't wrong? That wasn't disgraceful? Shouldn't we have been just as outraged at their behavior as everyone is about Colonel Mayer's behavior? Looks like there is a double standard to me, I'm not going to say what Colonel Mayer did was wrong because he felt he had valid reasons for what he did just like Gwen and Maddie felt justified with what they did. Colonel Mayer thinks he is protecting his son and I think that is a good thing. He was protecting him from a prostitute mother, and a psycho boyfriend who has a criminal history(although never prosecuted).


That's not the same thing. Adam was practically stalking Gwen, lured her into the forest and forced her to kiss him. If Maddie hadn't been there who knows how far Adam would have gone (i.e. rape). Of course trying to bury the body wasn't the right thing to do, but Maddie was trying to protect Gwen from possibly being hurt by Adam. Still, they were wrong, and while I can't be sure of what anyone's reaction was on here to the situation when it happened, I for one am not glorifying what they did, just showing the justification that Win lacks in his actions.

Now judging by your praise of the Colonel I can see you'd try to say the situation is the same. It's not. Luke and Noah were in a consentual relationship. Noah wasn't being forced into anything and was not in danger so the Colonel's "protection" wasn't necessary. And as for killing Noah's mother to protect him, if he didn't want her around Noah, do it the legal and noble way and go to court. Get a restraining order or something-- at the very worst threaten her. Killing her shows just what kind of a man the Colonel is. His murderous and criminal actions have no justification.

And you say you're not going to say his actions were wrong because he thought he had a valid reason for doing it-- well, what murderer doesn't have what they think are "valid reasons" for killing others? If that's the way we ran our justice system anyone could get away with murder.


Who is to say Luke want end up killing Noah? Who is to say Noah's mother wouldn't have put him in danger by the mear assocation she has with criminals. Luke already has had to have a kidney transplant there isn't any telling what kind of diseases he might have not to mention he is a bad influence and frequently takes the law into his own hands. Luke is a bad element, Colonel Mayer is someone Noah can look up to and be proud of for not only putting his life on the line for his country but for sacraficing his personal freedom and image to protect Noah from the evil that lurks around him.


I doubt Luke would ever kill Noah and if Col. Mayer wants to kill anyone who may lead Noah to dangerous connections he'd have to kill a lot of people on this show that Noah knows/is friends with (Dusty, Damien, Allison, Casey, Margo, Jack, Meg, the list goes on). Everyone on this show is endangered by the people they know because everyone has problems.

Luke had a kidney infection not herpes or HIV for pete's sake. Kidney infections and UTI's happen to people all the time and can be contracted from perfectly innocent behavior like swimming in the ocean. Should the Colonel drain all the water from the Earth to protect Noah? And once again, if Col. wants to kill off anyone who may give his son a disease then he'd be killing off millions, maybe billions of people. That sounds fair.

As for Luke being a bad influence, once again, almost every other character would be bad influence on Noah-- a few other characters who "take the law into their own hands" include Holden, Brad, Lily, Craig, Dusty, Barbara, Meg, again the list goes on. Should the Col. kill all of them too?

It is nice of the Col. (in his own twisted way) to want to protect Noah, but he is a bit too extreme in his efforts.

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#15   2009/06/26 02:44PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
Natalie
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Quote Buffyfan428: Yeah I agree Colonel Mayer is NOT and was never meant to be a good guy. Maybe he was before he turned into a murderous lunatic, but after one commits murder, formerly having been in the military doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. They still did wrong.

And I don't intend to offend anyone who was/is in the military, but if I was a soldier I wouldn't want someone like Colonel Mayer, a murderer and criminal, representing the United States Armed Forces.

SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!




I read in a spoiler on Youtube that Riley is in fact Adam (this is revealed when Margo gets shot and "Riley" yells, "Mom!"), and the REAL Riley was Noah's brother and he died in Afghanistan, which is why the Colonel knows he is not Riley Morgan.

Whether or not this is true is debatable, but it sounds about right.

Did Adam have plastic surgery? Cause I think that a mother would recognize her own son.. I know it was revealed today but Im just confused..

#16   2009/06/26 03:45PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
bctennessee
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[quote]Quote Natalie: [quote]Quote Buffyfan428: Yeah I agree Colonel Mayer is NOT and was never meant to be a good guy. Maybe he was before he turned into a murderous lunatic, but after one commits murder, formerly having been in the military doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. They still did wrong.

And I don't intend to offend anyone who was/is in the military, but if I was a soldier I wouldn't want someone like Colonel Mayer, a murderer and criminal, representing the United States Armed Forces.

SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!




I read in a spoiler on Youtube that Riley is in fact Adam (this is revealed when Margo gets shot and "Riley" yells, "Mom!"), and the REAL Riley was Noah's brother and he died in Afghanistan, which is why the Colonel knows he is not Riley Morgan.

Whether or not this is true is debatable, but it sounds about right.[/quote]
Did Adam have plastic surgery? Cause I think that a mother would recognize her own son.. I know it was revealed today but Im just confused..[/quote






You are not the only one that is confused. I apologize to all the posters that kept saying that Riley was Adam. I thought you all were nuts. I can understand Adam having plastic surgery but how did he change his voice? That is what convinced me that Riley wasn't Adam. I can hear one of my children's voice and know right away who it is. I believed that if Riley was Adam then Margo, at least, would recognize his voice. I have been watching soaps for almost 50 yrs. I thought I knew what was going on but I guess I was wrong. You posters were right. I was wrong. Thanks for the lesson.

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#17   2009/06/26 04:28PM
Re: Mayer and Riley
NukeLover
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Quote keytonblows:
Quote Buffyfan428:
Quote keytonblows: I didn't see anyone throwing Maddie and Gwen under the bus when the thought they'd killed Adam and buried his body. That wasn't wrong? That wasn't disgraceful? Shouldn't we have been just as outraged at their behavior as everyone is about Colonel Mayer's behavior? Looks like there is a double standard to me, I'm not going to say what Colonel Mayer did was wrong because he felt he had valid reasons for what he did just like Gwen and Maddie felt justified with what they did. Colonel Mayer thinks he is protecting his son and I think that is a good thing. He was protecting him from a prostitute mother, and a psycho boyfriend who has a criminal history(although never prosecuted).


That's not the same thing. Adam was practically stalking Gwen, lured her into the forest and forced her to kiss him. If Maddie hadn't been there who knows how far Adam would have gone (i.e. rape). Of course trying to bury the body wasn't the right thing to do, but Maddie was trying to protect Gwen from possibly being hurt by Adam. Still, they were wrong, and while I can't be sure of what anyone's reaction was on here to the situation when it happened, I for one am not glorifying what they did, just showing the justification that Win lacks in his actions.

Now judging by your praise of the Colonel I can see you'd try to say the situation is the same. It's not. Luke and Noah were in a consentual relationship. Noah wasn't being forced into anything and was not in danger so the Colonel's "protection" wasn't necessary. And as for killing Noah's mother to protect him, if he didn't want her around Noah, do it the legal and noble way and go to court. Get a restraining order or something-- at the very worst threaten her. Killing her shows just what kind of a man the Colonel is. His murderous and criminal actions have no justification.

And you say you're not going to say his actions were wrong because he thought he had a valid reason for doing it-- well, what murderer doesn't have what they think are "valid reasons" for killing others? If that's the way we ran our justice system anyone could get away with murder.


Who is to say Luke want end up killing Noah? Who is to say Noah's mother wouldn't have put him in danger by the mear assocation she has with criminals. Luke already has had to have a kidney transplant there isn't any telling what kind of diseases he might have not to mention he is a bad influence and frequently takes the law into his own hands. Luke is a bad element, Colonel Mayer is someone Noah can look up to and be proud of for not only putting his life on the line for his country but for sacraficing his personal freedom and image to protect Noah from the evil that lurks around him.

you talk about how luke takes the law into his own hand. What do you call naoh marrying amera just so she can get a green card. yeah his intentions were good but he was still breaking the law and he also brought luke into that entire mess. and it seems to me that everyime luke gets involved with the law that his intentions were just as good when noah decided to marry amera, and the only evil that lurks around noah is his father. because for some reason he can't get through his head that luke and noah are in love and noah doesn't want anything to do with someone who committed murder and wants to harm the love of his life . and by the way luke has never committed murder and i'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill noah the one he loves

#18   2009/06/27 09:09AM
Re: Mayer and Riley
Buffyfan428
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Quote bctennessee:
Quote Natalie:
Quote Buffyfan428: Yeah I agree Colonel Mayer is NOT and was never meant to be a good guy. Maybe he was before he turned into a murderous lunatic, but after one commits murder, formerly having been in the military doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. They still did wrong.

And I don't intend to offend anyone who was/is in the military, but if I was a soldier I wouldn't want someone like Colonel Mayer, a murderer and criminal, representing the United States Armed Forces.

SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!




I read in a spoiler on Youtube that Riley is in fact Adam (this is revealed when Margo gets shot and "Riley" yells, "Mom!"), and the REAL Riley was Noah's brother and he died in Afghanistan, which is why the Colonel knows he is not Riley Morgan.

Whether or not this is true is debatable, but it sounds about right.

Did Adam have plastic surgery? Cause I think that a mother would recognize her own son.. I know it was revealed today but Im just confused..







You are not the only one that is confused. I apologize to all the posters that kept saying that Riley was Adam. I thought you all were nuts. I can understand Adam having plastic surgery but how did he change his voice? That is what convinced me that Riley wasn't Adam. I can hear one of my children's voice and know right away who it is. I believed that if Riley was Adam then Margo, at least, would recognize his voice. I have been watching soaps for almost 50 yrs. I thought I knew what was going on but I guess I was wrong. You posters were right. I was wrong. Thanks for the lesson.


I think what happened was that I believe they said Adam had died in an explosion/bombing, but he obviously didn't die but maybe his face was badly wounded/disfigured and his voice was affected by throat injuries. He probably had to get reconstructive surgery hence the new face and possibly new voice.

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