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Eden Riegel return put on hold

Started by CTgremlin at 2008/01/28 07:51PM
Latest post: 2008/02/04 06:22PM, Views: 1489, Replies: 68
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#31   2008/02/01 10:40AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Stayler
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Quote BellaMiaYou must be living in a totally different world, my dear. I've never known ANYONE who was cheated on that wasn't DEEPLY HURT by their partner's cheating!


Why is this "discussion" still going on? I'm not living in any other world! I never said that Bianca wasn't hurt by Maggie cheating on her.

She didn't give a rat's petootie about hurting Binks (or Miranda) and only thought of herself.


Not true! And you can say it as many times as you want and that won't make it true!

That's not the way "normal" people treat "the love of their life" (in your words).


Normal people cheat also. To make Maggie out to be some villain for cheating when many others (good people) have done it such as Erica and Tad is insane. Why should Maggie be held to some higher standard? Because of Miranda? Well, Tad deeply hurt J.R. when he cheated on Dixie. Tad was rightly made out to be a bad guy, fans were angry with him, but no one treated him as a villain. And I won't treat Maggie as such. It looked as though he and Dixie would never get back together romantically, but they did. I'm sure Tad cared that he hurt J.R., the young man he thinks of as a son and who was once his stepson. To act as though Maggie didn't/doesn't care about Bianca or Miranda is extremely off.

Personally, I would rather see Binks move on to someone new, and if she has the "backbone" I think she has, she WILL find someone new and let Maggie rot in Paris.


Maggie had/has a backbone. And if Bianca really wanted to let Maggie "rot" in Paris, then she wouldn't be emailing her now...and wouldn't have said that she may be a part of their lives again.

Maggie had her chance and blew it.


As alij76, a huge Zoe and Zinx fan said, "For heaven's sake! People get back together after a cheating episode all the time!"

She thought more of her quickie little "indiscretion" than she did of the "love of her life" as you call her.


Not true. You constantly repeating it won't make it true.

Why WOULD Binks even want someone she can't even trust, and especially someone who also hurt Miranda (the true love of Bianca's life) Let's give Binks the credit she deserves for NOT putting Miranda in that situation again (no matter how Binks feels, one way or the other)!


We are giving Binks credit. All you asked could be asked of her about Babe. Babe hurt Bianca and Miranda far worse than Maggie did...and Bianca forgave Babe. We're giving Bianca credit, because she forgives. She may not forget, but she is able to forgive the people she loves. And, yes, she said she never stopped being in love with Maggie after finding out about Maggie's cheating. If you feel that the writers will never have her forgive Maggie, then that's you. But I'm sure it'll be otherwise. Bianca getting back with Maggie romantically would be because she trusts Maggie. You feel that will never happen. I do.

Time to move on.

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#32   2008/02/01 10:43AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Stayler
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BellaMia: I was angry with Binks for saying Zoe "wasn't capable of being a parent to Miranda" during her last visit. It had NOTHING to do with THEIR relationship. I felt her remarks were a total insult to both the Zoe character AND the entire TG community. It was basically like saying, if you are transgendered, you are incapable of being a good parent.


Bianca wasn't saying that if a person is transgendered, that person is incapable of being a good parent. And I don't feel that the show was saying that either.

If you took it that way. Oh well. Those are your thoughts.

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#33   2008/02/01 11:25AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
BellaMia
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Quote Stayler:
BellaMia: I was angry with Binks for saying Zoe "wasn't capable of being a parent to Miranda" during her last visit. It had NOTHING to do with THEIR relationship. I felt her remarks were a total insult to both the Zoe character AND the entire TG community. It was basically like saying, if you are transgendered, you are incapable of being a good parent.


That's not what Bianca was saying.

You took it that way. Oh well. Those are your thoughts.


Stayler, you have once again stuck your nose into yet another comment that wasn't in response to anything you posted. SO MUCH FOR "ENDING" THINGS.

Furthermore, I think can interpret what Bianca said on my own. And, I might add several others heard her say the same exact thing and took it the exact same way I did! (It might not be what she mean't, or even WHAT YOU THINK, but that IS the way it was interpreted by me and several others).

I would appreciate it if you would stick to your own opinion and stop trying to tell me (and other posters) that we are WRONG about everything and you know how every character "THINKS" on this show. We can "interpret" what people say ourselves and don't need you to "EXPLAIN" what Bianca said, or anyone else said for that matter.

Furthermore, STOP TELLING ME HOW I TOOK SOMETHING THE WRONG WAY AND HOW I THINK! You don't know jack about me, and you especially don't know how I think!

In the last post you made in this thread (right before this one, I might add) you said "TIME TO MOVE ON." Why don't you heed your own advice and MOVE ON!! All the rest of us have!

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#34   2008/02/01 11:41AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Stayler
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BellaMia: Stayler, you have once again stuck your nose into yet another comment that wasn't in response to anything you posted.


You say "once again"...

No, every post I've responded to in this thread has been directed toward me. If you look back on the page before this one, you were responding to my post. And, anyway, responding to someone else doesn't mean that another person won't respond to you.

SO MUCH FOR "ENDING" THINGS.


You're one to talk.

Furthermore, I think can interpret what Bianca said on my own. And, I might add several others heard her say the same exact thing and took it the exact same way I did! (It might not be what she mean't, or even WHAT YOU THINK, but that IS the way it was interpreted by me and several others).


And I didn't say that you didn't interpret it that way. If I want to point out that I don't for one second feel that that's what Bianca meant, then I will. As for others, you're the first that I've seen imply that that's what Bianca meant. Again, if you feel that way, then that's you.

I would appreciate it if you would stick to your own opinion and stop trying to tell me (and other posters) that we are WRONG about everything and you know how every character "THINKS" on this show.


Actually, you do that. You've done that throughtout these types of "discussions".

We can "interpret" what people say ourselves and don't need you to "EXPLAIN" what Bianca said, or anyone else said for that matter.


Ditto for BAM fans.

Furthermore, STOP TELLING ME HOW I TOOK SOMETHING THE WRONG WAY AND HOW I THINK! You don't know jack about me, and you especially don't know how I think!


No one's telling you how to think. But you have seemed to tell others how to.

In the last post you made in this thread (right before this one, I might add) you said "TIME TO MOVE ON." Why don't you heed your own advice and MOVE ON!! All the rest of us have!


If you'd moved on, this old "discussion" wouldn't be at the top of this board at this very moment. You and your Zoe army that pop up and try to beat down anyone who voices to liking Maggie or BAM, as a Zoe fan even pointed out, are the ones that need to move on. And you can try and make it about me all you want. But it was never about me. And judging by this thread, it was never truly allowed to be about Eden Riegel either.

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#35   2008/02/01 12:26PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
BellaMia
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"Stayler, you have once again stuck your nose into yet another comment that wasn't in response to anything you posted. SO MUCH FOR "ENDING" THINGS.

Furthermore, I think can interpret what Bianca said on my own. And, I might add several others heard her say the same exact thing and took it the exact same way I did! (It might not be what she mean't, or even WHAT YOU THINK, but that IS the way it was interpreted by me and several others).

I would appreciate it if you would stick to your own opinion and stop trying to tell me (and other posters) that we are WRONG about everything and you know how every character "THINKS" on this show. We can "interpret" what people say ourselves and don't need you to "EXPLAIN" what Bianca said, or what anyone else said for that matter.

Furthermore, STOP TELLING ME HOW I TOOK SOMETHING THE WRONG WAY AND HOW I THINK! You don't know jack about me, and you especially don't know how I think!

In the last post you made in this thread (right before this one, I might add) you said "TIME TO MOVE ON." Why don't you heed your own advice and MOVE ON!! All the rest of us have!"


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Here, again (ABOVE), is what I posted. I think you should READ IT AGAIN (if you can without adding things that AREN'T there to it). It said NOTHING about BAM, Zoe, Zinxy, TG storyline, etc. I responded to a totally different poster (NOT YOU) and you CHOSE to make a comment about HOW BIANCA THINKS, HOW I THINK, WHAT I MEAN'T, ETC. ETC. ETC., none of which is ANY of your business nor was it directed at you.

You made the previous post which said "Time to Move On" and then turned around and posted yet another BASHING post aimed at me.

I made a post in response to something totally different that SOMEONE ELSE had posted regarding Bianca. There was NO bashing on their part nor on mine!

Now here you are, yet AGAIN, popping up and starting all over again with the BAM, Zoe, Zinxy, crap telling ME I'm the one that won't let it go.

I have quoted what I said ABOVE "word for word" and I DARE YOU to find any mention of Zoe, BAM, Zinxy, TG storyline, or whatever in my post! AND, I also dare you to find anywhere in that post where I tried to "beat you down" for your differences of opinion. STOP TRYING TO START CRAP ON HERE!!

THE END!!

#36   2008/02/01 12:36PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Stayler
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BellaMia:=========================================================... /> Here, again (ABOVE), is what I posted. I think you should READ IT AGAIN (if you can without adding things that AREN'T there to it). It said NOTHING about BAM, Zoe, Zinxy, TG storyline, etc. I responded to a totally different poster (NOT YOU) and you CHOSE to make a comment about HOW BIANCA THINKS, HOW I THINK, WHAT I MEAN'T, ETC. ETC. ETC., none of which is ANY of your business nor was it directed at you.


You should read my post again. I don't have to read anything you said...again. You responded to MY post. It's there on the page before this one. You did.

You made the previous post which said "Time to Move On" and then turned around and posted yet another BASHING post aimed at me.


I never bashed you. Lies!

I made a post in response to something totally different that SOMEONE ELSE had posted regarding Bianca. There was NO bashing on their part nor on mine!

Again, you responded to my post! It's there on the page before this one.

Now here you are, yet AGAIN, popping up and starting all over again with the BAM, Zoe, Zinxy, crap telling ME I'm the one that won't let it go.


You won't let it go. I'm not starting anything with you. Never have.

I have quoted what I said ABOVE "word for word" and I DARE YOU to find any mention of Zoe, BAM, Zinxy, TG storyline, or whatever in my post! AND, I also dare you to find anywhere in that post where I tried to "beat you down" for your differences of opinion. STOP TRYING TO START CRAP ON HERE!!

THE END!!


I didn't have to start crap. You and your Zoe army did that just fine all by youurselves. A huge Zoe fan EVEN HAD to point this out.

Moved on? Good!

#37   2008/02/01 01:46PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
wannazach
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OK,
I for one have heard enough of this for a lifetime. And to say that an army is beating you down is the most most most untrue statement I ever heard or ever seen on this board, and I for one do not appreciate it. You ARE BASHINGthe people on this board and have over & over & over. If you are so unhappy on this board there are plenty more out there. Stop bashing us. We are a good friendly group and do not like continued bashing of us. We are not an army, we are friends who discuss opinions,not name calling. And name calling is exactly what the army statement was,If anyone don't love it leave it! That's an awesome motto.

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#38   2008/02/01 02:02PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Stayler
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I am not bashing anyone and have not done so over and over again. I don't even hate this board. When I stated "Zoe army"...it's because that's what it feels like. Another Zoe fan pointed this out. The words "Zoe army" weren't used, but the sentiment was the same. It's a true statement, not a lie. Anyone who expresses like/love for Maggie or BAM on this board is usually immediately jumped on. Again, a huge Zoe fan pointed this out.

I shouldn't have to go to another board to express my like/love for Maggie or BAM. And when I do that here, I shouldn't be ridiculed for it. This is not a Zoe or Zinxy board, although it often feels like it.

Yes, "if anyone don't love it, leave it" is an awesome motto. One that all of us keep trying to do in concerns to this thread.

Now we can try again to leave it.

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#39   2008/02/01 05:09PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Kristi
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Okay, everyone, it's time for all of us to back down just a little bit. Things are getting really heated in here. This thread began as a really great debate but things have since gotten entirely too personal. Let's all take a break and stop responding with personal attacks against one another. If any more of these attacks are posted, I will have to shut the thread down.

Thanks!

#40   2008/02/02 02:49PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
krispywithak
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Quote Stayler:
Quote wannazach: ITA! A BAM runion is not what this show needs now.


I totally disagree. Frons, ABC, AfterEllen.com, Soap Opera Digest, etc. have all noted what a huge fanbase BAM has. AfterEllen.com, which knows what it's talking about when it comes to gay or lesbian-related topics, has stated that the BAM fanbase continues to grow (mainly due to newcomers who never watched All My Children viewing their history on YouTube or at BAMforbeginners.com), and is one of the biggest fanbases out there. No other fanbase for a couple on All My Children has been able to pull off the type of tricks BAM fans have and do when campaigning for their couple. Not even Zendall (Zach and Kendall) fans, and they are the biggest couple on this show at the moment. Yes, Jesse and Angie are big, but most of their fans didn't come back for this new storyline of theirs. Their huge popularity and appeal is in the 80s, and I really doubt that it can be recreated.

If this show planned for BAM to reunite and then pumped out promos stating that Bianca and Maggie will be reuniting, then, yes, I believe that it would increase ratings quite nicely.

When Liz came back early 2007, there were so many BAM fans who didn't know she had. I saw it all over YouTube. If they had known, I can just imagine how high the ratings would have been.

Thus, I can easily see great promoting and word-of-mouth upping the ratings significantly with a BAM return.

There aren't too many favorite couples on this show at the moment, and instead of trying to create new couples or new supercouples, this show should use the popular couples and fanbases for those couples that they already have. Killing off Dixie was most definitely one of the biggest mistakes this show ever made. Made enough T&D (Tad and Dixie) fans leave, that's for sure.

Mag hurt Bianca and Miranda who thought of her as a mother. Its one think to hurt Bianca thats bad enough but to hurt Miranda is uncalled for and unfforgivable.


It's not like Maggie meant to hurt Miranda.

And I don't believe that Bianca would never forgive Maggie. She outright stated that Maggie may one day again be a part of their lives. But you know what? I'm tired of all of this back and forth, Maggie versus Zoe stuff. Or debates about Maggie returning or not returning. We obviously won't see eye to eye on Maggie, so we should just let it be. You feel that Bianca will never forgive Maggie. I don't. We disagree, and I'm fine with that.






The false Bianca rumor was starte on this BOARD!!! again, another un-substantiated piece of info I don't listen to anymore Binxs coming back...SHE IS NOT!!!! NOR IS ZOE..MOVE ON Already. This re-hashing what will NEVER be is ridiculous for grown ppl to dwell upon.

#41   2008/02/02 02:56PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
SOAPKID
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MOVE ON Already. This re-hashing what will NEVER be is ridiculous for grown ppl to dwell upon.

This was an old post ... so why did u rehash it? Going against your own suggestions? Just wondering?
And Spoilers are never 100% just like an actor's contract.
You always take it for what it's worth ... a possibility.

#42   2008/02/02 03:18PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
krispywithak
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Quote SOAPKID: MOVE ON Already. This re-hashing what will NEVER be is ridiculous for grown ppl to dwell upon.

This was an old post ... so why did u rehash it? Going against your own suggestions? Just wondering?
And Spoilers are never 100% just like an actor's contract.
You always take it for what it's worth ... a possibility.




HEH!

#43   2008/02/03 02:06AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
Meticulous
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I've always been quite fond of Eden's character of Bianca. While most of the characters on the show have bad chacteristics, Bianca was an honest communicator, one that was never afraid to speak her mind, with the wherewithal not to be ugly about it. When she was removed from the show, I thought that perhaps the veiwing audience was uncomfortable with a gay character, even if the character was caring and compassionate - more so than most.

I seem to recall a gay male character on the show a few years ago. Who was he, and what happened to him?

#44   2008/02/03 09:38AM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
EZRA511
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Quote krispywithak:
Quote Stayler:
Quote wannazach: ITA! A BAM runion is not what this show needs now.


I totally disagree. Frons, ABC, AfterEllen.com, Soap Opera Digest, etc. have all noted what a huge fanbase BAM has. AfterEllen.com, which knows what it's talking about when it comes to gay or lesbian-related topics, has stated that the BAM fanbase continues to grow (mainly due to newcomers who never watched All My Children viewing their history on YouTube or at BAMforbeginners.com), and is one of the biggest fanbases out there. No other fanbase for a couple on All My Children has been able to pull off the type of tricks BAM fans have and do when campaigning for their couple. Not even Zendall (Zach and Kendall) fans, and they are the biggest couple on this show at the moment. Yes, Jesse and Angie are big, but most of their fans didn't come back for this new storyline of theirs. Their huge popularity and appeal is in the 80s, and I really doubt that it can be recreated.

If this show planned for BAM to reunite and then pumped out promos stating that Bianca and Maggie will be reuniting, then, yes, I believe that it would increase ratings quite nicely.

When Liz came back early 2007, there were so many BAM fans who didn't know she had. I saw it all over YouTube. If they had known, I can just imagine how high the ratings would have been.

Thus, I can easily see great promoting and word-of-mouth upping the ratings significantly with a BAM return.

There aren't too many favorite couples on this show at the moment, and instead of trying to create new couples or new supercouples, this show should use the popular couples and fanbases for those couples that they already have. Killing off Dixie was most definitely one of the biggest mistakes this show ever made. Made enough T&D (Tad and Dixie) fans leave, that's for sure.

Mag hurt Bianca and Miranda who thought of her as a mother. Its one think to hurt Bianca thats bad enough but to hurt Miranda is uncalled for and unfforgivable.


It's not like Maggie meant to hurt Miranda.

And I don't believe that Bianca would never forgive Maggie. She outright stated that Maggie may one day again be a part of their lives. But you know what? I'm tired of all of this back and forth, Maggie versus Zoe stuff. Or debates about Maggie returning or not returning. We obviously won't see eye to eye on Maggie, so we should just let it be. You feel that Bianca will never forgive Maggie. I don't. We disagree, and I'm fine with that.






The false Bianca rumor was starte on this BOARD!!! again, another un-substantiated piece of info I don't listen to anymore Binxs coming back...SHE IS NOT!!!! NOR IS ZOE..MOVE ON Already. This re-hashing what will NEVER be is ridiculous for grown ppl to dwell upon.


BIANCA will be making appearances (ITS IN HER CONTRACT).....NOT NOW THOUGH...CT is right, it has been held off for awhile ..THATS IT..ZOE (upsettingly) WILL NOT RETURN.

#45   2008/02/03 12:02PM
Re: Eden Riegel return put on hold
alij76
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Ezra, with all due respect, Ms. Riegel's return was said here (and elsewhere) by CT to be permanent, not the "recurring" status already well-known by all, and that the contract had been signed. All these "spoilers" are just lifted like word for word from other sites and mags, not from direct sources. If I'm wrong, and CT does work in the business or has connections at the show, I'm sorry, but since every one of these "spoilers" are from already published reports (some inaccurate), I have to assume he's only a fan like the rest of us, and just reads everything he can find. That's cool, but be real about it.

I just think if you borrow spoilers or tidbits from someone else (which is not a crime), you should credit them. At least then, if they turn out to be wrong, you're off the hook. Plus, it's the honest thing to do. I know other soap forums have made this a rule, maybe it's time this one did the same.

(Even if Eden Riegel comes back for good one day, that doesn't make this rumor "correct." It was not. It was not even CT who originally said/predicted it. It was copied from an inaccurate post on another site.)

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