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Quote benice: I really liked Maggie but IMO she was never a main character. I don't believe people tuned in to see was Maggie was doing, they tuned in to see what BIANCA and Maggie were doing. Yes, I can see what you mean about people being more invested in the Bianca and Maggie romance than they were in Maggie. But I don't believe that Bianca basically carried the Maggie character with her. I think Maggie lost a lot of her fans when the writers made her a battered woman by Jon. This weak woman was not the Maggie they knew and loved. Again this was not Maggies fault but the writers. I don't believe that she lost a lot of fans there. Her fans were angry at the writers for that storyline, but in all, they rooted for Bianca trying to pull her out of that mess, and could see that even some of the strongest women fall prey to abuse. I mean, I hated that the writers had Maggie cheat on Bianca, but that didn't make me hate her. It turned a few away from BAM, but most I saw argued that they would not fall for it because it was completely out of character for Maggie. Then when Zoe came along it was different she made a name for her self and not just as a love interset of Bianca. This character was welcomed and loved by all I know. Sure a lot of uptight people say they did't like her but I guarantee you they were watching they just would not admit it. once again I love Maggie and would love to have her back but after seeing Bianca with Zoe, any sparks she had with Maggie have burned out in my eyes.JMHO Well, I guess we just have to disagree on all of that, except for the wanting Maggie back. Whether we want her back with Bianca or not, at least we can agree that we want her back. |
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You know Celtic, Maggie was mentioned on the show once. When Bianca came back to town that time and was asked about Maggie, she said that Maggie had been having an affair with another woman. I don't think Bianca would forgive her because she had lost the trust in her. So if they ever plan a Bam reunion there will be issues there. I love Maggie but Bianca didn't deserve to be hurt by her. I thought Maggie loved her but I guess not. Bianca deserves better. I don't like Bianca hurt, she's a sweetheart. I bet you Zoe would never treat her like that. JMO |
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Quote wannazach: You know Celtic, Maggie was mentioned on the show once. When Bianca came back to town that time and was asked about Maggie, she said that Maggie had been having an affair with another woman. I don't think Bianca would forgive her because she had lost the trust in her. So if they ever plan a Bam reunion there will be issues there. I love Maggie but Bianca didn't deserve to be hurt by her. I thought Maggie loved her but I guess not. Bianca deserves better. I don't like Bianca hurt, she's a sweetheart. I bet you Zoe would never treat her like that. JMO I totally agree with you on this....and yes you are right that Zoe would never hurt Bianca and was the one to hold off on their relationship for that very reason....the Bam fans conveniently forgot though that it was Bianca who wanted to take that next step to a romance even though Zoe tried to protect her by saying there may be too many difficulties for her to overcome........... Unfortunately it sounds as though Bianca forgot that too when she returned to PV for Christmas..so much for sticking by Zoe for the long haul as she had promised....... shame on you Bianca........ |
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celticbelle:Well no-one was surprised that TV guide voted the TG story the worst of 2007 since Michael Logan made no secret of the fact that he opposed it since day one.....many Gays and lesbians though liked Zoe but didnt want her romantically involved with Bianca and any magazine or message board that i have read has praised the brilliant Jeffrey Carlson for his sensitive and compassionate portrayal of her It wasn't just Michael Logan who opposed Zoe. Many people have praised Jeffrey Carlson for his acting, yes. But many have not praised the way that the writers wrote Zoe or the Zoe storyline. to suggest though that Zoe was unpopular and hated by many viewers and publications is inaccurate when many soap scribes voted it as among the best of the year..namely SOD who chose Zoe as the the 'most fascinating character' and soaptownusa.com chose her as the 'most entertaining character' and Zarf's coming out as Zoe as the best story of 2007.... SOC also included it in their best of 2007 list.... It's not inaccurate to say that Zoe was hated by many viewers and publications. Far from inaccurate. And, I mean, SOC (Soap Opera Central)? No matter what they voted, most posters there hate Zoe. There were many transgender individuals who hated Zoe as well, and the portrayal of the character. Praising Jeffrey Carlson's acting talent is not the same thing as praising Zoe. Many have voiced that All My Children doesn't deserve a GLAAD nomination or win for that storyline, and that the only reason GLAAD nominated this storyline is because it was representation in the media of a transgender character. I've come across several transgender posters who have stated that it may have been good to get representation on a soap opera, but the representation itself, as in the way that the writers wrote the character, wasn't good. I'm not underestimating Zoe's "popularity". I'm only stating that she wasn't as popular as made out to be here on this board. those Zoe mentions, and there have been several would seem to indicate that the writers also believe she is important to a lot of viewers so if Maggie is more popular than Zoe why has SHE NEVER been mentioned since she left???......... Those Zoe mentions were needed, as I already explained. And one of those mentions were to point out that Bianca and Zoe had drifted apart and that Zoe does not think of Miranda as a daughter. There isn't any need to mention Maggie...until the writers plan to reunite BAM (and I do believe that that is a prominent possibility). Or until Bianca is back on this show for a longer time than a year or for good and they need to mention what Maggie has been up to, since Bianca said that they would keep emailing each other. And with as popular as that couple is, even still today, as gay and lesbian websites such as Advocate.com and AfterEllen.com point out, the show would be insane not to reunite them. It will take some time (maybe short, maybe long), but Frons and ABC have acknowledged that BAM is a supercouple. BAM isn't the first supercouple they've trashed either. But speaking of trashed, I don't believe for one second that just because Maggie cheated on Bianca, BAM was truly trashed. Some say Bianca deserves better than Maggie or Maggie must not have loved her as much as they thought because of the cheating. But, really, plenty of people have cheated and do cheat on the person they love, for different reasons, on soap operas and in real life. I don't feel that it meant/means that Maggie loved/loves Bianca any less when she cheated on her. Tad of the supercouple Tad and Dixie cheated on Dixie, and I don't doubt for one second that Dixie was/is the romantic love of his life. Erica cheated on Jack, and she's explained that it wasn't because she loved Jack any less or had fallen out of love with Jack. Some may say Jack deserves better than Erica. My point is...I don't see why it has to be the end for BAM because of cheating when it is not the end for so many other couples when cheating happens. Anyway, I get that Zoe had/has her fans, and I respect your love for the character. I enjoyed Zoe at times as well. It's mainly her "romance" with Bianca that I didn't like. It's been great talking with you. We all love who we love. We can't all like, love, or hate the same character or couple, of course. That's life. fans conveniently forgot though that it was Bianca who wanted to take that next step to a romance. Oh fans didn't forget about that. Trust me. As for Bianca not standing by Zoe through her transition, I don't really think that Bianca up and dropped Zoe. It's just that they drifted apart. It happens to people all the time. I feel that it happened even more so for Bianca and Zoe due to how important Miranda is to Bianca, and she wants Miranda to be that important to the person she's spending time with, is in a romantic relationship with, or is thinking about entering into a romantic relationship with. |
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Like Stayler I do respect ppl's love of Zoe on this board,but it isn't correct to make out like she was really popular and increased ratings-she didn't.The increased ratings where to do with Bianca being back,the Satin Slayer s/l (while it was rubbish ppl wanted to know who would die next and who the killer was) |
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Quote wannazach: You know Celtic, Maggie was mentioned on the show once. When Bianca came back to town that time and was asked about Maggie, she said that Maggie had been having an affair with another woman. I don't think Bianca would forgive her because she had lost the trust in her. So if they ever plan a Bam reunion there will be issues there. I love Maggie but Bianca didn't deserve to be hurt by her. I thought Maggie loved her but I guess not. Bianca deserves better. I don't like Bianca hurt, she's a sweetheart. I bet you Zoe would never treat her like that. JMO I don't see Bianca ever going back to Maggie. Like she told Zoe, Bianca said it wasn't just her that Maggie hurt. She also hurt Miranda as Miranda had grown to love her. She told Zoe that she didn't want to go back to Maggie because Miranda was her first priority and she wouldn't put Miranda back into that same situation again, especially after Maggie thought so little of both of them by cheating in the first place. You don't cheat on the person you are madly in love with! Not only did Maggie hurt Bianca, she hurt Miranda and that's something Bianca will not let happen again. One of the reasons Bianca was so attracted to Zoe was because Zoe was so good with Miranda. She saw how Miranda bonded with Zoe and how happy Miranda was around Zoe. I think Bianca "pushed" a little too hard with Zoe as Zoe knows she is not ready for a full-blown relationship (and even told Bianca that). Zoe still has a lot to go through and she has no idea what to expect or how she will react as she continues through transition. She made that clear to Bianca from day 1. Zoe is not ready for a serious relationship, and she certainly is not ready to be a parent to Miranda (even though she loves her). Zoe has to get her own life straightened out first before she can ask someone else to share it with her. Bianca only looked at what SHE wanted for both her and Miranda. She didn't take Zoe's feelings or her situation into account or what Zoe needed. Even though she said she "wanted to be there for the long haul," what she really wanted was a permanent relationship and another parent for Miranda. At the present time, Zoe isn't capable of being either. Bianca should have realized this from the beginning as Zoe even tried to explain it to her, as did Josh. Instead Bianca comes back and said Zoe was "incapable" of being a parent to Miranda. (Obviously, she didn't listen to Zoe at all. She isn't "incapable" of being a parent, she isn't "ready" to be a parent). Zoe even has issues with her own parents that still need to be settled. Bianca's problem is, she doesn't like other people giving her advice, but she sure loves passing advice around to everyone else! In this situation, Bianca was very selfish and only looked at what SHE wanted, not even considering what Zoe still had to go through or how she might react while going through transition. |
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BellaMia: I don't see Bianca ever going back to Maggie. Like she told Zoe, Bianca said it wasn't just her that Maggie hurt. She also hurt Miranda as Miranda had grown to love her. She told Zoe that she didn't want to go back to Maggie because Miranda was her first priority and she wouldn't put Miranda back into that same situation again, especially after Maggie thought so little of both of them by cheating in the first place. I don't believe it's correct at all to say that Bianca would never go back to Maggie romantically. I mean, she called Maggie the romantic love of her life, stated that Miranda thinks of Maggie as a mother, and even told Maggie that she (Maggie) may once again be a part of her and Miranda's life. She and Bianca have been emailing each other and live in the same place -- Paris (even though Bianca comes back to Pine Valley at times). Maggie loves Bianca and Miranda deeply, and Miranda loves Maggie very much. I don't believe that Maggie thought so little of Bianca and Miranda when she cheated on Bianca and left with Cecelia. There's a lot of unexplained story there that needs to be told, some of which I feel has to do with Bianca having been the first woman Maggie was romantically with, and I hope that the writers at ABC tell it. The writers and Frons (head of everything ABC daytime) know how popular that romance is. The only way I see that romance never being revisited again is if this show is cancelled first or if one of those two characters die. You don't cheat on the person you are madly in love with! That's simply not true. As I stated before, people cheat for all sorts of reasons, even when madly in love with the person they are cheating on. Maggie isn't the first person on a soap opera (or in real life) to cheat on a true love...and she won't be the last. As for Bianca and Zoe, I don't feel that Bianca was selfish there. I believe that she saw that Zoe simply does not see Miranda as a daughter and that's what Miranda needed/needs more than just a friend. She needs a family that doesn't just include Bianca herself. I'm sure that Bianca and Zoe didn't just drift apart all due to Bianca. It was a mutual drifting-apart, with both possibly finding that they have less in common than they at first realized. In the real world, it's not true that opposites mostly attract. Opposites can and do attract, but people with a lot in common are the ones that attract the most and have longer-lasting relationships. There were more than likely a variety of reasons that Bianca and Zoe drifted apart. I don't see it as either of their faults, but rather as something that happens to a lot of people -- in reality or fiction. |
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Quote lisa-j:Liz is an asset to Y&R but I hope we will see her on AMC again,as Bam were and still are very popular and much requested.I would except a recast though as I want them to finish what they started with Bam and left open last February.And I disagree about Maggie not having fans-she did Oh, lisa-j, I wouldn't want a Maggie recast. No way. As much as I love BAM, it is more so due to the actresses in that supercouple. I feel that this show would be insane to recast Maggie. Not to mention...it would be weird to have Maggie have a different face while seeing pictures of Frankie all over the internet where they are of Liz's face. I'm sure that they can get Liz back one day. Her role on Y&R has been stated to be recurring. But knowing her, she may make it as popular as she did Frankie and Maggie and then the character will become a main focus. But, please, no Maggie recast. I do hope Liz all the best, though. |
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Hey with Eden's return being put on hold and LH role on Y&R probably not being a long-term one,there's every hope that Bam could be back when Bianca does return to AMC.I think there was a good reason Zoe was finished at christmas but Maggie wasn't mentioned (that is them being left open again).I actually would consider a recast IF the actress had good chemistry with Eden,recasts have worked before when they have put the work in and found the right replacement.I'll miss LH if she doesn't ever return to AMC as I don't watch Y&R,but it is definitely their gain. |
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Quote BellaMia: Quote wannazach: You know Celtic, Maggie was mentioned on the show once. When Bianca came back to town that time and was asked about Maggie, she said that Maggie had been having an affair with another woman. I don't think Bianca would forgive her because she had lost the trust in her. So if they ever plan a Bam reunion there will be issues there. I love Maggie but Bianca didn't deserve to be hurt by her. I thought Maggie loved her but I guess not. Bianca deserves better. I don't like Bianca hurt, she's a sweetheart. I bet you Zoe would never treat her like that. JMO I don't see Bianca ever going back to Maggie. Like she told Zoe, Bianca said it wasn't just her that Maggie hurt. She also hurt Miranda as Miranda had grown to love her. She told Zoe that she didn't want to go back to Maggie because Miranda was her first priority and she wouldn't put Miranda back into that same situation again, especially after Maggie thought so little of both of them by cheating in the first place. You don't cheat on the person you are madly in love with! Not only did Maggie hurt Bianca, she hurt Miranda and that's something Bianca will not let happen again. One of the reasons Bianca was so attracted to Zoe was because Zoe was so good with Miranda. She saw how Miranda bonded with Zoe and how happy Miranda was around Zoe. I think Bianca "pushed" a little too hard with Zoe as Zoe knows she is not ready for a full-blown relationship (and even told Bianca that). Zoe still has a lot to go through and she has no idea what to expect or how she will react as she continues through transition. She made that clear to Bianca from day 1. Zoe is not ready for a serious relationship, and she certainly is not ready to be a parent to Miranda (even though she loves her). Zoe has to get her own life straightened out first before she can ask someone else to share it with her. Bianca only looked at what SHE wanted for both her and Miranda. She didn't take Zoe's feelings or her situation into account or what Zoe needed. Even though she said she "wanted to be there for the long haul," what she really wanted was a permanent relationship and another parent for Miranda. At the present time, Zoe isn't capable of being either. Bianca should have realized this from the beginning as Zoe even tried to explain it to her, as did Josh. Instead Bianca comes back and said Zoe was "incapable" of being a parent to Miranda. (Obviously, she didn't listen to Zoe at all. She isn't "incapable" of being a parent, she isn't "ready" to be a parent). Zoe even has issues with her own parents that still need to be settled. Bianca's problem is, she doesn't like other people giving her advice, but she sure loves passing advice around to everyone else! In this situation, Bianca was very selfish and only looked at what SHE wanted, not even considering what Zoe still had to go through or how she might react while going through transition. I completely don't agree with you.What Zinxy fans conveniently seem to forget is Bianca was on the rebound when she was confused by her feelings for Zoe.She never once said she loved Zoe and never made her any promises other than to be there as her friend.She's done that and just because she realized her and Zoe shouldn't be together romantically doesn't make her selfish.Zoe isn't the one for for her or Miranda and Bianca has the right to make that decision if she's wants,because to be fair they were never actually a couple.Zoe didn't act like a parent to Miranda when they where in PV,yes they had a bond but it wasn't parental.Maggie always had that type of bond with Miranda and even if Bam never get back together that can't be dismissed. Maggie's cheating was left unexplained and we have no clue why she did it,no one cheats for no reason and it doesn't mean she didn't love Bianca.We have five years of history between them that shows she did and she sure looked like she was sorry and still loved Bianca when she came back last year.It's unfair to always make Maggie look like the evil bad guy and Zoe some kind of perfect angel,if she was so great Bianca would be madly in love with her and she said she's not.Maggie isn't the first and won't be the last person to cheat on soaps,and you make excuses for Zoe not being ready to parent Miranda because of issues with her own parents.Maggie had alot of parental issues as well and she also,but she managed it for over 18 months and was considered Miranda's second mom. |
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Quote k-soaps: Quote BellaMia: Quote wannazach: You know Celtic, Maggie was mentioned on the show once. When Bianca came back to town that time and was asked about Maggie, she said that Maggie had been having an affair with another woman. I don't think Bianca would forgive her because she had lost the trust in her. So if they ever plan a Bam reunion there will be issues there. I love Maggie but Bianca didn't deserve to be hurt by her. I thought Maggie loved her but I guess not. Bianca deserves better. I don't like Bianca hurt, she's a sweetheart. I bet you Zoe would never treat her like that. JMO I don't see Bianca ever going back to Maggie. Like she told Zoe, Bianca said it wasn't just her that Maggie hurt. She also hurt Miranda as Miranda had grown to love her. She told Zoe that she didn't want to go back to Maggie because Miranda was her first priority and she wouldn't put Miranda back into that same situation again, especially after Maggie thought so little of both of them by cheating in the first place. You don't cheat on the person you are madly in love with! Not only did Maggie hurt Bianca, she hurt Miranda and that's something Bianca will not let happen again. One of the reasons Bianca was so attracted to Zoe was because Zoe was so good with Miranda. She saw how Miranda bonded with Zoe and how happy Miranda was around Zoe. I think Bianca "pushed" a little too hard with Zoe as Zoe knows she is not ready for a full-blown relationship (and even told Bianca that). Zoe still has a lot to go through and she has no idea what to expect or how she will react as she continues through transition. She made that clear to Bianca from day 1. Zoe is not ready for a serious relationship, and she certainly is not ready to be a parent to Miranda (even though she loves her). Zoe has to get her own life straightened out first before she can ask someone else to share it with her. Bianca only looked at what SHE wanted for both her and Miranda. She didn't take Zoe's feelings or her situation into account or what Zoe needed. Even though she said she "wanted to be there for the long haul," what she really wanted was a permanent relationship and another parent for Miranda. At the present time, Zoe isn't capable of being either. Bianca should have realized this from the beginning as Zoe even tried to explain it to her, as did Josh. Instead Bianca comes back and said Zoe was "incapable" of being a parent to Miranda. (Obviously, she didn't listen to Zoe at all. She isn't "incapable" of being a parent, she isn't "ready" to be a parent). Zoe even has issues with her own parents that still need to be settled. Bianca's problem is, she doesn't like other people giving her advice, but she sure loves passing advice around to everyone else! In this situation, Bianca was very selfish and only looked at what SHE wanted, not even considering what Zoe still had to go through or how she might react while going through transition. I completely don't agree with you.What Zinxy fans conveniently seem to forget is Bianca was on the rebound when she was confused by her feelings for Zoe.She never once said she loved Zoe and never made her any promises other than to be there as her friend.She's done that and just because she realized her and Zoe shouldn't be together romantically doesn't make her selfish.Zoe isn't the one for for her or Miranda and Bianca has the right to make that decision if she's wants,because to be fair they were never actually a couple.Zoe didn't act like a parent to Miranda when they where in PV,yes they had a bond but it wasn't parental.Maggie always had that type of bond with Miranda and even if Bam never get back together that can't be dismissed. Maggie's cheating was left unexplained and we have no clue why she did it,no one cheats for no reason and it doesn't mean she didn't love Bianca.We have five years of history between them that shows she did and she sure looked like she was sorry and still loved Bianca when she came back last year.It's unfair to always make Maggie look like the evil bad guy and Zoe some kind of perfect angel,if she was so great Bianca would be madly in love with her and she said she's not.Maggie isn't the first and won't be the last person to cheat on soaps,and you make excuses for Zoe not being ready to parent Miranda because of issues with her own parents.Maggie had alot of parental issues as well and she also,but she managed it for over 18 months and was considered Miranda's second mom. And what BAM fans seem to forget that Bianca did fall for Zoe. While she never uttered the word love, she made it quite clear to Josh that she had fallen for Zoe. As for Maggie, early last year, she came back for three useless weeks, and tried to patch things up with Bianca, and she turned Maggie down cold. Maggie went back to Paris, and was never heard from again. If Maggie was so in love with Bianca, and all that so-called history between them, she wouldn't have cheated on Bianca to start with, correct?? I just love how BAM fans justify Maggie's cheating by the words "everybody does it" No, everybody does not do it. Bianca is an example of that. She's NEVER cheated on anyone. Now that Liz has gone over to Y&R, hopefully, we can finally put BAM to rest, never to be heard from again. |
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I don't agree with Maggie cheating,no one should but Erica's done it,Kendall's done it.Does that mean Jerica and Zendall should stay apart,no.We never got an explaination and Bianca didn't let Maggie go she said she might be part of her family again and they kept in touch by email.Bianca never said love with Zoe she has never had that problem with any other love interest,she said it to all the others.I don't deny she had feelings for Zoe but I don't think they were ever love.How can Zinxy fans contimue to insisit they were in love and soulmates when it wasn't said and they were never together,she called Maggie the love of her life not Zoe.As for LH she is ONLY RECURRING ON Y&R not long-term so has every chance to return to AMC. |
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Quote k-soaps: I don't agree with Maggie cheating,no one should but Erica's done it,Kendall's done it.Does that mean Jerica and Zendall should stay apart,no.We never got an explaination and Bianca didn't let Maggie go she said she might be part of her family again and they kept in touch by email.Bianca never said love with Zoe she has never had that problem with any other love interest,she said it to all the others.I don't deny she had feelings for Zoe but I don't think they were ever love.How can Zinxy fans contimue to insisit they were in love and soulmates when it wasn't said and they were never together,she called Maggie the love of her life not Zoe.As for LH she is ONLY RECURRING ON Y&R not long-term so has every chance to return to AMC. I don't care if Erica's done it, or Kendell has done it. everyone doesn't cheat in soaps. Stop trying to rationalize Maggie's action with the term "everybody's done it" The fact is that Maggie did cheat on Binks, Binks gave her the old heave ho, and that ended it. Both Erica and Kendell are man hungry idiots. Bianca may have called Maggie the love of her life, but that's ancient history. Maggie broke the bond of trust between her and Bianca, and i think their "relationship" has been so damaged, that it will never be the same again, and just because Maggie sends Bianca e-mails, doesn't mean that Bianca is simply going to forget what happened to her, take Maggie back, and everything is going to be as it was. There are consequences to Maggie's actions. The simple fact is Bianca dumped her, time to move on. |
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Quote CTgremlin: Quote k-soaps: I don't agree with Maggie cheating,no one should but Erica's done it,Kendall's done it.Does that mean Jerica and Zendall should stay apart,no.We never got an explaination and Bianca didn't let Maggie go she said she might be part of her family again and they kept in touch by email.Bianca never said love with Zoe she has never had that problem with any other love interest,she said it to all the others.I don't deny she had feelings for Zoe but I don't think they were ever love.How can Zinxy fans contimue to insisit they were in love and soulmates when it wasn't said and they were never together,she called Maggie the love of her life not Zoe.As for LH she is ONLY RECURRING ON Y&R not long-term so has every chance to return to AMC. I don't care if Erica's done it, or Kendell has done it. everyone doesn't cheat in soaps. Stop trying to rationalize Maggie's action with the term "everybody's done it" The fact is that Maggie did cheat on Binks, Binks gave her the old heave ho, and that ended it. Both Erica and Kendell are man hungry idiots. Bianca may have called Maggie the love of her life, but that's ancient history. Maggie broke the bond of trust between her and Bianca, and i think their "relationship" has been so damaged, that it will never be the same again, and just because Maggie sends Bianca e-mails, doesn't mean that Bianca is simply going to forget what happened to her, take Maggie back, and everything is going to be as it was. There are consequences to Maggie's actions. The simple fact is Bianca dumped her, time to move on. ITA!!! Also in the words of a famous 16th century poet A. Huet. "Thou strongest loves are left unuttered". |
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