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Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I

Started by CTgremlin at 2007/12/28 12:26PM
Latest post: 2008/01/04 08:53PM, Views: 1037, Replies: 46
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#21   2008/01/02 11:37AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
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Quote BellaMia: Soapy, you are banging your head against a wall here. There is no need to defend the Zoe/Binks relationship. It stands on its own merit. ... (edited for space) ... Yes, I agree that the Zarf character in the beginning was a "little over the top", but once you got to know Zoe, you knew EXACTLY why Zarf was so bizaar. After all, he was hiding his entire identity and had been his entire life!

Thanks Bella!! ur bella!!! And not only was Zarf over-the-top but so was Erica ... Kendall ... Greens ... and a bunch of other characters ... so no one was picking on Zarf cause there were plenty of other over-the-top people on AMC. haha!

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#22   2008/01/02 11:47AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
EZRA511
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HI BELLA...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Bella I agree with your ENTIRE POST except 2 things....

This to me was not a WELL WRITTEN STORY ...they SHOULD HAVE STAYED and the WRITERS SHOULD HAVE FINISHED IT!!!!

ZARF...To me YES OVER THE TOP...BUT I LOVED JEFFREY as HIM and LOVED JEFFREY as ZOE!

#23   2008/01/02 12:38PM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
BellaMia
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Quote EZRA511: HI BELLA...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Bella I agree with your ENTIRE POST except 2 things....

This to me was not a WELL WRITTEN STORY ...they SHOULD HAVE STAYED and the WRITERS SHOULD HAVE FINISHED IT!!!!

ZARF...To me YES OVER THE TOP...BUT I LOVED JEFFREY as HIM and LOVED JEFFREY as ZOE!



Oh Ezra, I agree totally. And I think the writers (not the two hacks they have now, of course) would have loved to continue it, but Jeffrey Carlson was already committed to doing Hamlet which he was under contract for BEFORE AMC even asked him to create Zarf/Zoe. It definitely needed to continue, and I honestly thought they would continue it by bringing Zoe back (after Hamlet). They had the perfect opportunity to do that too, except for the fact that the writers changed during that time.

AMC probably shouldn't have even started the storyline until JC was TOTALLY available so it could continue as long as it needed to and not have to be rushed to a stopping point. As it was, both JC and ER had to "extend" their contracts an additional month to continue it. JC was actually completing his stint on AMC and learning lines for Hamlet at the same time. (Don't know how he does it!).

AMC sure lost a good one there. I would trade any character on that show to get him back. If ever anyone should have an Emmy for a performance, it should be JC. He had multiple Emmy-worthy scenes that no one else could ever even dream of being able to play. Too bad he will never be recognized for any of those phenominal performances as both Zarf or Zoe.

I guess it is just as well. I highly doubt these writers could even come close to doing any decent writing for Zoe. After all, look how stupid they ended it! (Zoe can't be a good parent because she is transgender, and Zoe looks at Miranda as a friend and playmate)!!! WTF! If there ever was an "insult" to the transgender community, that certainly was it! All those idiots had to say was Zoe's transition was getting a little more complicated than she had expected and she needed her space OR with both of them being so busy with separate careers, they just weren't getting enough time to see each other. Instead they chose to "make Zoe look like a dufus whose not fit to be a parent and would rather play with a 4-year-old." It even made Bianca look stupid because she LOVED the fact that Zoe gave Miranda so much attention and showed so much love toward her. It made her seem almost jealous because Zoe paid more attention to Miranda than to her!!

Well, it's AMC's loss. Frons keeps saying he wants to get the ratings up. Well, the TG storyline was the only storyline AMC has done in the past 3 years that raised its ratings considerably (from a 2.1 to a 2.6 and they were still rising when it ended). Too bad he can't see a good thing when it's right in front of him. But then again, we are talking about someone who has his head up his "arse" 99.9% of the time! Can't see very much from up there!

#24   2008/01/02 05:56PM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
celticbelle
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Quote BellaMia:
Quote EZRA511: HI BELLA...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Bella I agree with your ENTIRE POST except 2 things....

This to me was not a WELL WRITTEN STORY ...they SHOULD HAVE STAYED and the WRITERS SHOULD HAVE FINISHED IT!!!!

ZARF...To me YES OVER THE TOP...BUT I LOVED JEFFREY as HIM and LOVED JEFFREY as ZOE!



Oh Ezra, I agree totally. And I think the writers (not the two hacks they have now, of course) would have loved to continue it, but Jeffrey Carlson was already committed to doing Hamlet which he was under contract for BEFORE AMC even asked him to create Zarf/Zoe. It definitely needed to continue, and I honestly thought they would continue it by bringing Zoe back (after Hamlet). They had the perfect opportunity to do that too, except for the fact that the writers changed during that time.

AMC probably shouldn't have even started the storyline until JC was TOTALLY available so it could continue as long as it needed to and not have to be rushed to a stopping point. As it was, both JC and ER had to "extend" their contracts an additional month to continue it. JC was actually completing his stint on AMC and learning lines for Hamlet at the same time. (Don't know how he does it!).

AMC sure lost a good one there. I would trade any character on that show to get him back. If ever anyone should have an Emmy for a performance, it should be JC. He had multiple Emmy-worthy scenes that no one else could ever even dream of being able to play. Too bad he will never be recognized for any of those phenominal performances as both Zarf or Zoe.

I guess it is just as well. I highly doubt these writers could even come close to doing any decent writing for Zoe. After all, look how stupid they ended it! (Zoe can't be a good parent because she is transgender, and Zoe looks at Miranda as a friend and playmate)!!! WTF! If there ever was an "insult" to the transgender community, that certainly was it! All those idiots had to say was Zoe's transition was getting a little more complicated than she had expected and she needed her space OR with both of them being so busy with separate careers, they just weren't getting enough time to see each other. Instead they chose to "make Zoe look like a dufus whose not fit to be a parent and would rather play with a 4-year-old." It even made Bianca look stupid because she LOVED the fact that Zoe gave Miranda so much attention and showed so much love toward her. It made her seem almost jealous because Zoe paid more attention to Miranda than to her!!

Well, it's AMC's loss. Frons keeps saying he wants to get the ratings up. Well, the TG storyline was the only storyline AMC has done in the past 3 years that raised its ratings considerably (from a 2.1 to a 2.6 and they were still rising when it ended). Too bad he can't see a good thing when it's right in front of him. But then again, we are talking about someone who has his head up his "arse" 99.9% of the time! Can't see very much from up there!



well said Bella....what irks me though about all of these
Zoe naysayers is how can they be so accepting of Bianca's
'romance' with Maggie who not matter what they say is most
definitely straight.......the writers just chose to make her
'gay' to suit the storyline.....unfortunately these people
accept this simply because it suits their own agenda which is to see Bianca with a Biological female.....While they should have been the first to understand and sympathize with the struggle of TG's instead they chose to treat them and Zoe with total disdain and that is not only puzzling to
me but is also very sad.......
I agree with you that this was one of the most heartwarming
storylines ever seen on daytime TV and Zoe made Bianca shine
in every scene they were in....Eden Reigel's performance was
enhanced by her pairing with the brilliant Jeffrey Carlson
and she will never have that magic chemistry again with any
other actor.....Zoe and Bianca were sympatico........
Bianca and Maggie were a dull and boring couple and i hope
that ship has sailed for good and sank so deep that it can
never resurface........ever again.......
I would also like to know how these people presume to know
how Eden Riegel feels when they dont even know her??.....
Any statements that i have seen in print from Eden indicate
that she was very proud of this storyline and extended her
stay on the show because she believed in it so much......
IMO..AMC has made a serious mistake in ending the story the
way it has when it still had so much great potential.......

#25   2008/01/04 06:32AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
lisa-j
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OK i'll agree to disagree but I would just like to point out 3 final things you seem confused about:

1)Yes Eden asked to be part of the sl-but no there was not suppossed to be a romance from her side.She stated this when she first came back in Oct/Nov 2006,it was mean't to be one-sided (unless this was more hype).MMT changed things along the way that in itself annoyed more fans.

2)Eden asked for the writers to leave Bam open-ended the way they did.She said she wanted to protect the couples history.She even said in a soap article-Feb 2007 she would like Bam back because they had such love and passion.

Zinxy were never actually a couple and if it they been as popular with fans as you believe then they would have been continued-it was MMT's baby and when she was SACKED (because she wasn't delivering good and successful sl's)it ended.Why do you think they set up Binks return sans Zoe,Frons wants rating generating sl's.

Anyway I am actually sorry for Zinxy fans you all get to join the dissappointed Binks fans clue ,other members include FAB,Lianca and Bam fans.It seems to be the fate of Bianca fans to always see her end up alone,they obviously don't have the talent or open-mindedness to write a happy gay romance.

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#26   2008/01/04 07:08AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
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Quote lisa-j: OK i'll agree to disagree but I would just like to point out 3 final things you seem confused about:

1)Yes Eden asked to be part of the sl-but no there was not suppossed to be a romance from her side.She stated this when she first came back in Oct/Nov 2006,it was mean't to be one-sided (unless this was more hype).MMT changed things along the way that in itself annoyed more fans.

2)Eden asked for the writers to leave Bam open-ended the way they did.She said she wanted to protect the couples history.She even said in a soap article-Feb 2007 she would like Bam back because they had such love and passion.

Zinxy were never actually a couple and if it they been as popular with fans as you believe then they would have been continued-it was MMT's baby and when she was SACKED (because she wasn't delivering good and successful sl's)it ended.Why do you think they set up Binks return sans Zoe,Frons wants rating generating sl's.

Anyway I am actually sorry for Zinxy fans you all get to join the dissappointed Binks fans clue ,other members include FAB,Lianca and Bam fans.It seems to be the fate of Bianca fans to always see her end up alone,they obviously don't have the talent or open-mindedness to write a happy gay romance.


ICA I didn't like that storyline either and really think Bianca should be reunited with Maggie and given the chance of a relationship that lasts.Zoe and her didn't fit well together and i'm not talking biologly lol.

#27   2008/01/04 07:18AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
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Quote lisa-j:............................Anyway I am actually sorry for Zinxy fans you all get to join the dissappointed Binks fans clue ,other members include FAB,Lianca and Bam fans.It seems to be the fate of Bianca fans to always see her end up alone,they obviously don't have the talent or open-mindedness to write a happy gay romance.


God ... please give it a rest!!! Please stop force feeding us! WE'RE FULL!!

#28   2008/01/04 07:21AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
k-soaps
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To be fair everyone is entitled to their opinion.That is why I don't post alot on this board it seems unless you agree with the whole you can't have a say.

#29   2008/01/04 07:51AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
EZRA511
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Quote k-soaps: To be fair everyone is entitled to their opinion.That is why I don't post alot on this board it seems unless you agree with the whole you can't have a say.


Thats not true at all...!!

#30   2008/01/04 07:57AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
k-soaps
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Feels like it sometimes.Like Lisa-J I didn't like the Zoe storyline but if you say so you seem to get bashed as a bigot of something.

#31   2008/01/04 08:04AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
lisa-j
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I wouldn't say bashed more they LOVE ZOE on here and are loyal.I don't mind debating,free speech is what America is about.But thanks for the support-hugs

#32   2008/01/04 08:08AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
EZRA511
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Quote k-soaps: Feels like it sometimes.Like Lisa-J I didn't like the Zoe storyline but if you say so you seem to get bashed as a bigot of something.


Theres nothing wrong with not liking the storyline, Have you yourself , ever said anything on here about ZOE..I see you like BAM. They are very popular on another site....that HATES ZOE/ZARF ...and THEY are TRULY NASTY about the character and to eachother. (FOR WHAT REASON I WILL NEVER KNOW), This topic is a delicate one ....ITS CONTROVERSIAL, no other THREAD on here about the SOAP has DISAGREEMENTS, We try our best to get along with eachother, we have one poster that changes names and tries to start trouble , BUT THANK GOD THE MODERATORS HAVE DEALT WITH HER!!

So post MORE OFTEN you will see!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

#33   2008/01/04 08:11AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
lisa-j
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Hey lets all just agree we love Bianca no matter who she ends up with. And that Frons is an idiot of course.

#34   2008/01/04 08:13AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
EZRA511
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Quote lisa-j: Hey lets all just agree we love Bianca no matter who she ends up with. And that Frons is an idiot of course.


#35   2008/01/04 08:29AM
Re: Bink and Zoe are done, and so am I
k-soaps
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Quote EZRA511:

Theres nothing wrong with not liking the storyline, Have you yourself , ever said anything on here about ZOE..I see you like BAM. They are very popular on another site....that HATES ZOE/ZARF ...and THEY are TRULY NASTY about the character and to eachother. (FOR WHAT REASON I WILL NEVER KNOW), This topic is a delicate one ....ITS CONTROVERSIAL, no other THREAD on here about the SOAP has DISAGREEMENTS, We try our best to get along with eachother, we have one poster that changes names and tries to start trouble , BUT THANK GOD THE MODERATORS HAVE DEALT WITH HER!!

So post MORE OFTEN you will see!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I'm not new to the site but I am new to posting here.I broke my leg a few days ago and can't work so thought i'd spend my time doing something inventive,talking about soaps on the internet.lol

I think I know which site you mean and sorry to tell you I am a poster there,oops.

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