All My Children - MESSAGE BOARDS

[quote]Quote celticbelle: [quote]Quote BellaMia: [quote]Quote EZRA511: [quote]Quote BellaMia: [quote]Quote Fl mimi: [quote]Quote zinxydiva: binxs see i got the feeling that there is something more

I smell a bun in the binxs oven.

hug for my friend binxs

i am not giving up on my zinxy and neither should you my friend.[/quote]
I think since Bianca is a lesbian(as in likes women) and "Zoe still has outdoor plumbing-as much as we know .The best we can hope for is Bianca is pg with Zarf's sperm and Zoe comes back after she completes her transformation. Zoe would want to be "complete for Bianca" I think that means being a functional woman. Then that would be super![/quote]


I agree, Fl mimi.

According to Binks, Zoe wasn't ready to take the relationship further (obviously because she isn't transitioned yet). (Obviously Bianca didn't care about Zoe's plumbing and was ready to "go for it" anyway).

Remember when they had their "date" on the yacht, Bianca was putting the moves on Zoe and Zoe backed off and told Bianca that she didn't want to "come to her in a man's body." That's why Zoe had originally planned to return to England alone to go through transition. Binks obviously decided to go back to Paris to be closer to Zoe and help her transition (and hopefully pursue a relationship anyway). Well, obviously Binks tried to pursue it and Zoe STILL wasn't ready.

Therefore, I doubt if there is a bun in Bink's oven because they have not been together physically that we know of. And the only other way that could happen is if Binks comes back to PV and decides to get preggers using Zoe's (Zarf's) sperm. And I highly doubt if Zoe's sperm is "up for grabs" for anyone to have access to it.

Then again, you never know. After all, it is PV. She better be careful though, 'cus she might end up with a "Lavery" baby instead!

Like you CT, I'm done with AMC. This was the only storyline I cared about and Frons managed to destroy it right along with everything else he has destroyed. I hung around for 9 months "hoping" for a return of Zinxy. I don't plan to hang around another 9 months hoping Binks has a Zinxy baby!

After three decades of watching AMC, all I can say is "It was a fun ride while it lasted."[/quote]

CT is leaving you are leaving...I WILL MISS YOU!! But one thing...

I COULD have swore I HEARD BIANCA say to BABE that ZOE did make the full transition, DID SHE or didnt ????[/quote]


No, I don't think so. It takes years to transition. Bianca told Babe that Zoe was doing well. Zoe still has a long road ahead though. That's what makes me so angry about this whole return by Binks. She said Zoe isn't ready to be a parent to Miranda and just looks to Miranda as someone to play with. Excuse me, Binks! But Miranda is a 4-year-old!! (I kept envisioning Miranda and Zoe playing in a sandbox together after that statement from Binks!). Why WOULD Zoe be ready to be a parent to Miranda when she isn't even transitioned to ZOE yet, nor has she and Binks even had a "relationship" to speak of???

Furthermore, Zoe hasn't changed the way she felt before she left PV. She knew she was in for a long hard trip through transition. Remember, she originally planned to leave PV alone. It was Bianca who "insisted" that Zoe let her help her go through it. (Even Josh told Bianca she didn't know what she was getting herself into). Bianca wanted to be there "for the long haul" to see Zoe through transition. (Well, at least that's what she told Zoe!). I guess she changed her mind and decided to bail on Zoe at the first sign of a little "bump in the road."

As far as I am concerned, Bianca can go back to her "cheating", lying old Maggot! They deserve each other. The more I thought about today's episode, the madder it made me. I guess when Bianca couldn't lure Zoe into her bed, she decided she no longer wanted to "be there for the long haul." What a self-centered little biotch!

Sorry CT. I know you love Binks, but that's how I saw it. She pushed and pushed herself into Zoe's life when Zoe was trying to back away to keep from hurting her. So much for "Sweet Binks." I guess she truly is her mother's daughter after all. She doesn't know what in the hell she wants.

I truly commend Mr. Carlson for doing such a tremendous job portraying Zarf/Zoe during this storyline. He made thousands and thousands of people fall in love with Zoe, and for that he should be very proud. The TG community, too, should be very proud of his performance and of the true friend they made in Mr. Carlson. I can think of no other actor that could have even come close to playing this character(s), especially with such dignity and poise. I only wish we could have learned more and seen more. It was the best soap storyline I have seen in the last 20 years.

Some have said that Frons and AMC had just used the TG storyline as a "publicity stunt" to get publicity for the show. Because it was such a beautiful story, I never believed that for a minute. Well, after seeing how they "ended" Zoe's journey, maybe it WAS just a publicity stunt after all. There was so much more to tell, but TPTB obviously felt the TG storyline wasn't as important as watching Kendall whine and snivel every day, AND even though the TG storyline garnered AMC its best ratings in over 3 years!!! Instead they had Bianca give us a visualization of Zoe and Miranda "playing together" as everlasting friends.

EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO PUKE!!!

In answer to your question, Ezra. YES, after 3 1/2 decades of watching AMC, I am FINISHED!! I may, however, pop onto this board occasionally to say "hello" to some of the friends I have met here.

And that includes YOU Ezra!!! Also, you can feel free to e-mail me at any time. Keep up the great "stories". Hell, I have to come back once in a while just to read those!! Nobody writes stories like YOU do![/quote]



I totally agree with everything you said Bella and this 30yr viewer will be saying goodbye to her once favourite show too.....the one consolation in all of this is that the
idiotic writers who had Bianca utter those stupid words
about Zoe have already buried 3 soaps so we shouldnt have
expected any better from them........

IMO they have insulted the TG community by implying that Zoe
wouldnt be a suitable Parent for Miranda when Zoe showed her
more affection than even Bianca did at times.........
this was simply a copout to appease a 'certain segment' of
viewers who have been vocal about the Zoe/Bianca romance...

I will cling to the hope that a new regime will come along someday soon and choose to continue Zoe's journey because there is still such a wealth of story to be told.........

Bella...I join you in applauding JC for his outstanding portrayal of Zoe thst has already been acknowledged and most definitely appreciated by the TG community for the dignified and sensitve way in which HIS Zoe represented
them..it was also recognized and applauded recently in
Soap Opera Digest who hailed Zoe as 'A new kind of Heroi

I not sorry it's over,the truth is there were more ppl who weren't fans than were.The fact Eden agreed to come back and finish off the psuedo romance tells you that she obviously thought it failed as well.Because if she was so for Zinxy she wouldn't have agreed to return,all that I thought 'it enhanced my sexuality' stuff just went out the window,it didn't enhance it enough for them to actually have physical relationship.Don't believe a word Frons and co say because most of it is hype.

Actually I think you will find Eden hasn't talked about the s/l since it ended,and the s/l it became isn't even what she actually signed on for.Her coming back when she isn't even under contract and ending any hope for their romance tells me she wasn't all that committed to seeing the s/l through.

She was committed to seeing it through, that why she stayed longer than she was supposed to. Do you really think if she wasn't committed to it, she would have stayed?? Heck no!! She would have bolted in March, but she loved working with Jeffrey, loved the character of Zoe, and loved the story line. Just because she hasn't talked about it lately, doesn't mean she didn't like it.

Oh, pray tell me what story line she actually signed on for??

Eden gave a interview in one of the soap mags in Oct/Nov 2006 were she said there wouldn't be a romance,that their would be someone who fell in love with her but the feelings were one-sided.Barf was not mean't to happen,that was not what Eden was pitched-or she was lying,MMT changed things later on and now Frons as finally fixed it by ending any chance of them being romantically involved.

As for Eden,so what she stayed a month extra-she got payed for it,and just because she liked JC (so did I) doesn't mean she really liked the s/l,remember she hasn't so much as mentioned it since she wasn't under contract.The fact she just got payed to return and finish the s/l says everyting.She knows that if Binks does come back because of fan backlash it can't be with Zoe,so her saying their just friends is setting up her return sans Zoe.It didn't work whether you what to admit it or not,the s/l just got BASHED AGAIN in Tv Guide's worst of 2007 article (note the romance was particulary bashed).While some viewers liked it,alot didn't and the soap and entertainment press certainly didn't.

But it wasn't just the critics it was the fans as well,this board is the exception go to the others and the majority of the posters were not in favour of the romance.If they had left the part out maybe Zoe would have been liked more but pushing her on Binks annoyed alot of fans.That is why even Frons who over saw the s/l said it didn't work and he wouldn't repeat it.

But we could argue about this for ages,it doesn't really matter anymore by ending any romantic involvement with Binks last week they affectively ended the s/l permantly.There is no reason other than a slim chance of a quick visit for Zoe to be in PV-she has no ties there.

Actually I think you'll find the ABC boards where not all in favour,yes alot of ppl liked JC,but alot of ppl hated the romance.I'm not saying JC wasn't good,he was but that Barf (which it is called in a lot of places) wasn't a fan fav.As for JC website that doesn't count it's and actors own site,plus I think you'll find Bam have alot more sites and pages dedicated to them-doesn't unfortunately mean they will be back either.

As for nothing is permanant,i'd say after last week the chance is slim to no chance you'll be seeing Zoe again there isn't enough viewers requesting her,they never wanted to continue the s/l anyway-they don't have the courage or the talent to have a TG character as a long term character.

Bianca is a lesbian and when they didn't give her well developed,onscreen romance with a biological woman in 7 yrs and continuously copped out,then trying to pair Eden with an actor and pushing a 'soul' attraction to Zarf-was an insult to the fans,the gay community and Agnes Nixon (that was not her vision).Eden/Bianca deserves to have a romance that is genuinely gay,opposite and actress-AMC need to learn from ATWT and even Passions that it is possible.

Ok....I'm done...I'm sending this horse out to the glue factory.

I never knew there were rules and regulations to GLBT Lifestyles ... all the friends I have that are ... and I've know people that were all of the above since I was 14 ... some died of AIDS before it had a name in the late 70s and early 80s ... so I'll have to inform them that there's rules they must live by to be GLBT.

Thanks for the notification. I'll pass it along here to the community.

I'm not saying there is rules but I am saying that if you have a gay character you should respect their sexuality,not use it has a ratings stunt. Which is what they did with both Bianca and Zoe!!,neither were treated right with this s/l,Zoe deserved so much more time and effort in tellling her differcult transition process.My trans friend who's been through the process (and successfully finished it last yr) found the s/l borderline insulting,they didn't give the facts correctly and made Zoe almost a caricture-making it seem that is what all transgendered ppl act like.Flaky and self absorbed with a chip on their shoulder convinced evryone is against them.It wasn't what it should have been and I only hope another soap attempts to do it properly.

As for Bianca,it was hurtful they way they treated her sexuality and by making her attracted to Zarf before she was Zoe was damaging.And made alot of ppl believe she was now bisexual,if they had to have a romance then they should have waited till Zarf was Zoe and taken it slowly,but no they had to race ahead of themselves and cram such a sensitive subject into weeks instead of many mths.

It's would be nice to believe physical attraction is about the soul,it's not it's about being attracted to the physical form-lesbians are not attracted to men even if they are lesbians on the inside-especially when they are living and dressing as a male.So yes it did upset alot of Binaca fans who were accustomed to Bianca with women and it upset alot of the gay community who thought it insulted her history and her sexuality.Lesbians with trans-lesbians is just fine,but AMC had to screw it up as per usual. I just think if you are setting out to inform the viewers on a subject,teach them don't confuse the issue with useless pieces of s/l used to fill it out.

No one is dismissing ur opinion but you've been stating the same thing over and over for I'm not sure how long ... we get your point. I'm saying let's end it. You've said it on every post about this that it's not what the GLBT want .. I know others that liked it .. I'm not going there ... that's their opinion like those that u mentioned was urs and ur friends. I think it's just overdone. WE GOT UR POINT ... IT'S NOT WHAT UR FRIENDS LIKE. Sorry for their disappointment. WE LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP ... we didn't get into the labels. Apparently, some people do. Go figure.
Have a good day. Discuss on!!

Soapy, you are banging your head against a wall here. There is no need to defend the Zoe/Binks relationship. It stands on its own merit.

Eden Riegel "asked" to be a part of the TG storyline as she has stated time and time again. It was not originally written for her to be a part of. As soon as she found out AMC wanted to do the storyline, she asked to be part of it, as did EVERYONE ELSE on the show. (If you go back to Zoe scenes, EVERY SINGLE ACTOR/ACTRESS on the show had scenes with Zoe.) (That was THEIR request). Even Eden's own sister (who IS a lesbian, by the way) recommended she do the storyline.

Furthermore, Zoe was not a male, and from the day she was born always knew she was a female (remember Zoe's conversations with her mother). She was just born with a male body which she always hated and dispised. (That's why they call them "transgender"). Zoe was a female (in a male body) who also identified as a lesbian.

And, the fact is, a lot of research went into the storyline and REAL transgendered people were used as consultants as well as being part of the storyline itself. (These people weren't just "somebody's friend" who has an opinion, but both M-F and F-M transgendered people who told of their own "real life" experiences. Some were fully transitioned and some were not. The individual used to conduct the "trangender group" was a college professor who had fully transitioned from M-F. She had also written several books about the subject, so I'm sure she KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.

Most people "chose" to see Binks with a man instead of seeing her with a M to F transgender who was also lesbian. If that's what they choose to see, then that's their perogative. I, personally, saw a female who had been trapped her entire life in a man's body. Someone who had always tried to live as a boy/man to please others, but always knew deep in her soul she was female. (Hence, this was the "soul" connection). Binks knew when she kissed Zarf that she didn't feel like she was kissing a man (which she would obviously not have any interest in). She "felt something", but wasn't sure what to think or how to react. That's because she was actually kissing a "female" (lesbian).

Personally, I thought the storyline was extremely well written. I understood everything the writers (and the TG people) tried to convey during this storyline. Personally, I think it is one of the most beautiful storylines I have ever seen on any daytime soap (and I have been watching for over 3 decades). It was different, it was very informative, it was realistic, and it was very well done.

Yes, I agree that the Zarf character in the beginning was a "little over the top", but once you got to know Zoe, you knew EXACTLY why Zarf was so bizaar. After all, he was hiding his entire identity and had been his entire life!