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Zarf/Zoe

Started by lisalisa0804 at 2007/12/27 11:30AM
Latest post: 2007/12/31 07:37AM, Views: 635, Replies: 33
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#11   2007/12/28 06:28AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
EZRA511
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Quote BellaMia:
Quote gembug: Did I miss something or has Bianca even mentioned Zoe/Zarf since shes been back???


Bianca hasn't mentioned ANYBODY since she came back. I guess TPTB want to keep everyone in suspense. They are likely waiting to see if they will even be able to lure her back for a long-term contract before making any other decisions or commitments. If she chooses not to come back for a long-term storyline, it would be a moot point anyway. At this point, I believe it all hinges on her decision as to whether or not she wants to return.


Thats cause her MOTHER and SISTER are to darn selfish to ASK HER HOW SHE IS DOING!!!!

#12   2007/12/28 06:34AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote SOAPKID: I loved Jeffrey as Zarf/Zoe. He states that he'd come back if time was right and situation *which I'm assuming is $$ too - not that there's anything wrong with that at all* I feel everyone has a time and a price for their time and efforts.
He was phenomenal and states on his site that he loved the support he received.
I'm hoping they bring him back!! Soon!



HI SOAPY!
You know ..I HONESTLY THINK JEFFREY is one of those ACTORS that LOVES the CRAFT of ACTING and not so much the MONEY and FAME that so called actors get these days !!

#13   2007/12/28 06:40AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote lisa-j: There is a reason Zoe will probably never return-the s/l didn't work,plus all though it is popular here it wasn't anywhere else.No matter if you are a fan or not the truth is it was badly written and rushed and that was it's down fall,don't give AMC any credit-when they have had over six yrs to tell Bianca's story probably and haven't the chances a short term stunt character getting better treatment is slim.Unless Bianca says she is in love with and involved with Zoe on todays show I wouldn't expect to see Zoe again.She will be mentioned but for me after the sl turning Bianca into podBinks I don't want to see Zoe again.hey don't have the courage to tell a real transition story only give a half lame attempt which was a disservice to the TG community.Let another soap do it and do it better.


All there stories SUCK these DAYS!!! You have to hire writers with TALENT....

#14   2007/12/28 06:42AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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It's isn't just my opinion,sorry but when the head of daytime for ABC says it didn't work-you can't get more clear than that.

The majority of the soap press and critics thought it didn't work.

A large amount of the gay community (who live this life-my MTF trans lesbian friend as well)including the biggest site Afterellen said it didn't work.

Numerous soap sites and viewers said it didn't work.

As for BAM I think you will find that they were a ground breaking campaigned for couple-which had not happened before or since,they have legions of fans and sites dedicated to them.Soap magazines consider them a super couple,just a few weeks ago SID was comparing ATWT's gay romance with BAM.Eden herself considered them a super couple and has discribed them as such at fan events.Eden said this February in a soap article that she would love to have Maggie back as they had such passion and love.Any couple who has a love story set over a number of yrs (BAM is 5-6 yrs) is by definition a super couple,Wikipedia desribes them as a super couple as well.

I'm just going by the evidence and the evidence suggests Zoe's sl wasn't popular.If Binks mentions her favoubaly today then there may still be a chance for her,but otherwise if they are just friends there would be no reason to have Zoe on canvas permently whether Bianca returns or not.

Right now i'd sacrifice BAM for Bianca to have a real gay romance with someone played by an actress,not a man playing a lesbian(if you have to have Zoe back have her played by a woman) it is an insult to Bianca's history and the gay community and it just reinforces homophobia by having Eden's love interest be a actor.

#15   2007/12/28 06:47AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote EZRA511:
Quote lisa-j: There is a reason Zoe will probably never return-the s/l didn't work,plus all though it is popular here it wasn't anywhere else.No matter if you are a fan or not the truth is it was badly written and rushed and that was it's down fall,don't give AMC any credit-when they have had over six yrs to tell Bianca's story probably and haven't the chances a short term stunt character getting better treatment is slim.Unless Bianca says she is in love with and involved with Zoe on todays show I wouldn't expect to see Zoe again.She will be mentioned but for me after the sl turning Bianca into podBinks I don't want to see Zoe again.hey don't have the courage to tell a real transition story only give a half lame attempt which was a disservice to the TG community.Let another soap do it and do it better.


All there stories SUCK these DAYS!!! You have to hire writers with TALENT....


And that is my point if they couldn't tell it well the first time,why would there be an improvement the second?

The writting is garbage these days and I don't think they have the talent to tell a transition story properly-so I would rather they didn't tell one at all.Bianca was turned into a pod version of herself last time and having her back the last couple of episodes has shown her back to who she was before.Not santimoniuous or creepily obsessed and I equate that with a lack of Zoe,so for the podbinks to never return that means no Zoe.

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#16   2007/12/28 06:48AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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bet our sweet trangender gets mentioned today.

binxs talks to Babe

and is it me or does Binxs look awful?

hides From her on line pal ct aka Binxs

hi every one by the way

#17   2007/12/28 06:52AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
EZRA511
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:-)

Quote zinxydiva: bet our sweet trangender gets mentioned today.

binxs talks to Babe

and is it me or does Binxs look awful?

hides From her on line pal ct aka Binxs

hi every one by the way


HELLO ZINKY!!..Im hoping ZOE is mentioned , I THINK SHES LOOKS GOOD!! What do you think is so BAD??? HOW ARE YOU BY THE WAY?

#18   2007/12/28 07:22AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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hi ez

Binxs just looks i don't know a little under the weather.

and i am good finally got the nerve to tell a guy i like that i like him .

oh and i got Our sweet trangender's fave movie for Xmas, Ma via en rose

haven't watched yet but it looks very good.

oh and i also aske the guy i like if he would like to come over on new years eve and play the disney scene it game.

haven't heard from him yet.

oh and note of sadness we had to put another one of our dogs down on xmas eve day

Wheres father clarence when ya need him

#19   2007/12/28 07:51AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote zinxydiva: bet our sweet trangender gets mentioned today.

binxs talks to Babe

and is it me or does Binxs look awful?

hides From her on line pal ct aka Binxs

hi every one by the way


Throws pebbles at Zinxydiva!!! Binks always looks great. Haven't heard from you in a while, especially on that other site. What cha been up to??

#20   2007/12/28 08:04AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
zinxydiva
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hey watch where your throwing those things Binxs.

Not much I have been watching the show and also as world turns which has my darling other couple Noah and luke.

and writing alot of fanfics

i am trying to come up with zinxy fanfics but i have been mainly writing Nuke fan fics

hug for Binxs

#21   2007/12/28 11:00AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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At least today they did mention Zoe but Bianca isn't with her. They're just friends now.

#22   2007/12/28 02:07PM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote Lesliedear31:
Quote BellaMia:
Quote lisalisa0804: I missed Zarf/Zoe and wish they would bring him/her back. Does anyone else miss them? Since they bought Bianca back shouldn't they bring Zarf/Zoe back? I think the 2 of them together is a great story. This is a storyline that was never done before. And i thought AMC did a fantastic job.


I agree lisalisa. I have watched this show for over 30 years and the TG storyline was by far my favorite storyline of all time. One of the best AMC has ever done. Jeffrey Carlson was (and is) a phenominal actor and AMC should be doing everything they can to get him back on the show! Frankly, if he doesn't come back, then AMC will have lost yet another LIFETIME viewer......ME!



Well its a shame they spent time and money trying to get Rebecca back when they could have been persuading our Jeffery to come back instead of tossing him to the side like everyone else they dont know what to do with.


I really don't think it is $$$ with J. Carlson he is a serious stage actor and probably all the $$ they could throw at him wouldn't make a difference. Too bad I really enjoyed him. I would love to see him in a stage production!!

#23   2007/12/29 11:32AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote BellaMia:
Quote EZRA511: IM ALSO WILLING TO BET...FRONS makes sure that ZOE/ZARF is never mentioned again..I know CT ..BITE MY TONGUE ...but I bet this story was KILLED ALTOGETHER !!


I feel sorry for the TG community. They really "put it all out there" when AMC asked to do the storyline and were very supportive of it (as was Jeffrey Carlson in his phenominal portrayal of Zoe). I'm sure the storyline mean't a lot to them, especially in trying to educate mainstream America on what it is like to be TG and how complicated their lives can be, even to just be "accepted" in society. There was so much to left for them to tell and for us to learn.

I think it is a disgrace that the idiots in charge didn't even give them the decency of completing the storyline. So much for AMC being the "innovative" soap! To hell with people and their feelings I guess. The funniest part of all of this is, it was the best storyline AMC has done in over 3 years, and the ONLY storyline that gave AMC a really big boost in the ratings. If TPTB cannot see this, then they really are idiots in my mind.

I have watched AMC almost my entire life, and the TG storyline was, by far, my favorite. It was interesting and informative, and even received tons of national press and garnered a whole new fan base for the show. (Hence, the boost in ratings!) I just wish we could have learned more. I would love to have had the TG group visit again, and especially would have loved watching Zoe go through transition (and all her trials and tribulations in getting there). I loved the "banter" between Zoe and Josh, and I loved the "bonding" that developed between Zach and Zoe over their fathers. Two totally opposite people bonding over their very similar father figures. The interaction was wonderful and beautiful and resulted in some of the best acting I have ever seen on AMC or anywhere else.

In my opinion, AMC had a "gold mine" with this storyline. Too bad they never realized it. I guess like some have said, it was likely nothing more than a "publicity stunt" on Frons part. (Just like the "REAL" Becca commercial they are running now). I never originally thought this to be true and actually thought AMC really cared and wanted to be true to the storyline and to the TG community. I now have my doubts that that was ever really their intention.

Such a phenominal storyline, and such a phenominal actor playing the lead part. And TPTB can't understand why AMC in tanking in the ratings!





Bella once again we are in total agreement and i echo your
sentiments exactly........
AMC just trashed the most heartwarming and wonderful story
they ever had but just as Zoe is gone for the moment anyway
i believe BF and those HW will be out the door soon too....
good riddence to them....bring back MMT...God bless her for
giving us our beloved Zoe........

As for the brilliant Jeffrey Carlson AMC and all of daytime
television for that matter havent seen an actor of his calibre in a very long time....if ever.....

He enhanced the show and the performances of every actor on it and stole every single scene he was in.......

I will be forever grateful to have had the good fortune of
seeing this amazing actor breathe life into the unigue
and beautiful Zoe...God Bless them both....no one will ever
come up to their standard in my opinion and i dont care what anyone else thinks this was by far the best storyline ever seen on AMC and daytime television....I LOVED IT.....

THANK YOU JEFFREY AND ZOE....YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN....

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#24   2007/12/31 06:53AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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While i'm glad the s/l has been permantly put to rest and podBinks has gone,I would like to say i'm sorry to Zoe fans-but I did try to warn you.

Frons never intended to continue this s/l-it was a ratings stunt and nothing more.If it had actually been successful then MAYBE there would have been enough fan support for Zoe to return,but when they angered sooo many fans by trying to push a romance with Bianca it burnt all Zoe's bridges.Plus the fact Frons himself basically said it failed-I knew then it was dead in the water.

I felt all along it was a stunt s/l simply because they didn't even bother to try and tell it properly.The facts they gave about the transition process were simplified and sometimes just incorrect.Zoe's transition would have taken yrs and trying to cram as much as possible into not even 6 mths was a insult to the TG community and the long struggle they have to go through.Zoe would have had to live full time as a woman for a yr or more before her gender reassignment consultant would have considered putting her on hormones.She would have had to have mths and mths of councelling sessions with her psychologist before she was deemed psychologically ready for the transition process.But MMT raced ahead of herself and tried to fit all this into a few weeks making the s/l unrealistic and that is why it didn't work for me,alot of the gay community and soap press.

And making Zoe so over the top didn't help in getting the viewers to care about her and her struggle,I know alot of ppl who just found her annoying,which is a shame for daytimes first Trans character.I will say that JC did a good job with the garbage he was written and prehaps he could return to AMC as a new character.And hopefully another soap can do this type of s/l only properly.

As for Bianca I hope the rumours are true and it is her who is returning full time,she proved herself to be the beloved Binks of old when she visited.The podBinks who was needy,rebounding and santimonious during her last visit had disappeared and the real lesbi-Binks returned.I could have done without the Babe loving but you can't have everyting.

I hope if and when she does come home she is allowed a real onscreen,fully developed lesbian romance.My wish would be Bam and I do find it interesting Maggie wasn't mentioned and that Bianca wanted to get back to Paris so quickly-hmm.But even if Bam don't get a second chance so long as Bianca gets the love she wants i'll be happy.

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#25   2007/12/31 07:03AM
Re: Zarf/Zoe
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Quote EZRA511:
Quote SOAPKID: I loved Jeffrey as Zarf/Zoe. He states that he'd come back if time was right and situation *which I'm assuming is $$ too - not that there's anything wrong with that at all* I feel everyone has a time and a price for their time and efforts.
He was phenomenal and states on his site that he loved the support he received.
I'm hoping they bring him back!! Soon!



HI SOAPY!
You know ..I HONESTLY THINK JEFFREY is one of those ACTORS that LOVES the CRAFT of ACTING and not so much the MONEY and FAME that so called actors get these days !!


Oh I know he does. But I mean a soap really isn't his genre of acting. He is more theatre. That's what I mean by money ... I mean to take me away from what I luv u gotta pay me enough to wanna leave it.

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